298 - Flow School and Finding Your Voice w/Lizzie Fischer

This episode is the first in a series with Flow School alumni. 

Today I welcome Lizzie Fischer to share about her journey into yoga and working with women in healing disordered eating, and her experience in Flow School. 

We also explore the nuances and craft of teaching, the importance of authenticity, and how to build a sustainable yoga practice and business that light you up.

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Transcript

Bonnie (00:03.128)
Hello and welcome to the podcast. I am delighted because today is the very first of a series of podcasts where I talk to Flow School alumni. And I had this idea to like skip the writing of their experience or a solo video where people are awkwardly trying to say some things or not awkwardly. There's a there's a variety of ways.

Sometimes I'm like, these poor people, this is so awkward for them. I'm like, what's really real is actually just having a conversation. And I think the opening of letting that be the many things that it is and the nuance of experience that makes me really excited. So this is a series of podcasts where I talk to Flow School alumni about their teaching journey and about their experience in Flow School, which is my baby baby. I'm the founder of Flow School. I've been doing this for six years, and I want to hear their thoughts on yoga.

where they're at in their own teaching journey and the cool things that they're creating, how they're owning the hell out of their voice. So I am a big believer that the room is only as good as the people in it. And you can create something amazing, but if nobody's participating, like what are we doing? And as somebody who kind of creates these spaces, there's always a a lot of room left for the magic that people bring.

I have found over the past six years of leading Flow School that the teachers who joined are some of the most heartled, nerdy, generous, and brave leaders. And today I have Lizzie with me. And she joined Flow School in person last November. So as we're talking now, that's like eight months ago. But we have been in each other's orbit for a bit longer than that. So we will get into that as well. And such a gift. I

There's something magical about every time the in-person flow school happens since I do it both online and in-person and different ways. So this is an in-person 50-hour training that we dropped into together. And those in-person longer trainings are their own sort of power because of the people that are in the room and the way that everybody makes connections. So we're here for a couple of reasons. I'll get into talking about Lizzie. We're gonna talk about flow school and what it is.

Bonnie (02:23.105)
The experience with it, we're gonna get nerdy about yoga, and share, you know, also what Lizzie is all about and what she's doing. And I'm I love that I think using this podcast to share the experience that other teachers have and what they are building in their lives.

Feels so right to me. It's the same way that I think about my house being the place where my kids bringing all the neighborhood kids and like, bring them in, right? This is this is the home for everybody to land and and to meet each other. And really, then for us to be real humans in this. So Lizzie, Lizzie's here. And we've been connected for a minute. And I love the way that you teach, I love the way you show up with people, I love your tenacity.

Lizzie Fischer (03:02.356)
Hello.

Bonnie (03:13.293)
For studying and for building something that you really believe in strongly. And the generosity that you approach people with and yourself with. And having the opportunity to be a witness to you in several ways that we've worked together has been such a gift to watch you like step into the thing that you're like, this is what I want, and I'm gonna make moves with it. And to be a part of that journey is has been such a gift. So thank you for being here today.

Lizzie Fischer (03:41.62)
Hmm, thank you for having me. I'm honored to be here. And I fully receive all of those sweet words you shared. Thank you. That means lot.

Bonnie (03:45.879)
Mm.

Bonnie (03:49.582)
Absolutely. Well, you've recently relocated. Lizzie is in the middle of moving. well, you've you've landed here in my home state of Oregon, which is very exciting from somewhere less green.

Lizzie Fischer (03:55.07)
Yes.

Lizzie Fischer (04:04.646)
Less green, a lot more hot. There's a lot of reasons. I'm happy to be here.

Bonnie (04:08.973)
Yes. A summer's a perfect time to land in Oregon.

Lizzie Fischer (04:12.791)
Yes. my God. It's been literally cold the past few days. I'm like, what's happening?

Bonnie (04:17.497)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. We've been we've been playing with this. I mean, when I first moved to Oregon, I heard that you don't wait, like summer isn't happening until after July fourth. And that's when you're like, okay, now it's really gonna be summer, which for the most part that has been true, where it's not gonna be rainy after July fourth, and every once in a while there's weird cold moment, rainy time, and you're like, wait a second, I thought it was supposed to be summer, but you know, that's fair.

Lizzie Fischer (04:26.622)
Mm.

Lizzie Fischer (04:41.162)
I'd rather a cold moment than a hot moment. So happy to be here.

Bonnie (04:46.637)
Okay, let's jump in. I would love to hear how long have you been practicing yoga?

Lizzie Fischer (04:54.862)
well, I would like yoga asana, the movement part. I have been doing that since

My god, why is this so hard for me to think of? Twenty twenty. Yeah. huh.

Bonnie (05:08.021)
Okay. And w why? Like how did you find yoga?

Lizzie Fischer (05:12.43)
gosh. It's a whole journey as it is for many, but I resisted yoga for the longest time. I just didn't like the idea of sitting in like the stereotypes people hear about yoga, like sitting in silence, self-reflection, like the the shapes themselves felt very like exposing to me. and so I just really didn't want anything to do anything to do with it.

Bonnie (05:14.229)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (05:40.031)
And then COVID came and I was locked in my house, couldn't go to the gym, couldn't do all the other things that I was used to doing. And was like, ugh, I'll try this like yoga YouTube thing. Whatever. And I did this like YouTube challenge with yoga with Tim, who is great. And I was like, huh, I actually really enjoyed all of this. And I think I just was mentally

emotionally ready for the interoception and the introspection piece of yoga that I had just mentally wasn't ready for before. Not that people need to be ready for it, but just through my own life experiences, I was not prepared. And so it just came at the right time and it really helped me heal from a lot of hard things that I had carried, of like connecting back to my body, back to myself, a lot of self-compassion and a lot of like freedom and movement.

Bonnie (06:35.367)
Mm, mm. That's really beautiful. And also I love the the challenge of that. I really like the word exposing with this that you said, that you're like, wow, these look this all looks exposed. I mean, 'cause you can take that as in in several ways, like exposing mentally and spiritually and physically. You're like, Okay, I'm just gonna be out there. I think there's some people that feel like they're nervous to go to yoga 'cause they're gonna be watched.

Lizzie Fischer (06:39.669)
What?

Bonnie (07:02.337)
Whether it by students, other students, or just by the teacher, 'cause the teacher we see we see people on the mats as teachers. and then also you have to sit with your damn self, so

Lizzie Fischer (07:12.916)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you do.

Bonnie (07:15.157)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and like such a gift too. I think all of us, you know, w I think this is why we teach though, is you found something, obviously. Like there was something in it that you're like, Okay, here I am in the world and enough so that then you stepped into actually wanting to teach. Did was that something that you thought of like how far into your journey being a student of yoga were you like, Okay, I think I want to teach this.

Lizzie Fischer (07:41.982)
Yeah. So I am a w I feel and think that I am maybe a a rare case in the sense that I didn't practice yoga that long before I went and got my teacher certification. But I'm someone who like dives headfirst into anything I love. So I loved it and I grew up a gymnast. So it was just like very reminiscent of a lot of things that I did when I was younger. just like that feeling of freedom and play and

Like it's a little bit scary, but in a good way. Like arm balances and all of that was just so exciting to me. So I dove head first and was going to go get my master's in something called recreational therapy. And I was like, yoga would be a great addition to my degree. I can teach yoga in a therapeutic setting, like in hospitals, helping people like with nervous system regulation. That was my thought process because that was it's like

was very helpful for me. And so I thought, I can share this with people in that setting, which is absolutely not what I've wound up doing, but I did dabble in that world for a little bit. Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (08:43.949)
Mm-hmm. Okay. So an like, I mean I feel like we're gonna make a a strong loop back to this. But I think even in this moment, I'm like your background right now. will you give an introduction for you? I would love to let you do it because I can say the things, but but that where your focus is, because when you're talking about giving it in a therapeutic setting and the way that you want to work with people, you are doing that now. So right now you're using yoga in that way. And I love that.

Lizzie Fischer (09:00.914)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (09:10.047)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (09:14.999)
You're taking what you have learned and then you added yoga to it. And then we constantly are iterating, right? We're like, okay, is it this? Is it this? Is it this? Is it this? And I've even been able to watch you do that in the in like a year from now, last June to like this June. Well, I guess it's July now, but like like I've watched you also hone what it is and how you want to work with people. do you wanna give a little blip about what that looks like right now?

Lizzie Fischer (09:21.141)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (09:37.463)
Totally. well, I'll give like a little background and then what looks like now. But I got my undergrad in psychology because I thought I wanted to be a therapist and then COVID happened and I had time to think about it and I was like, yes, therapy, but also movement has been so healing for me. Like just connecting back to the body. so I that's why I went the recreational therapy route.

Bonnie (09:42.637)
Perfect.

Lizzie Fischer (10:02.41)
Which if people don't know what that is, look it up. But essentially I like to describe it as activity-based therapy interventions. But there are so many different ways that people use recreational therapy. So got my degree in that and got my yoga certification in my first semester of grad school, which was a silly decision. but I dove head first. It was a lot. and then post grad did work like teaching yoga to like

Spinal cord injury patients, traumatic brain injury patients. And that was really amazing to like see people in real time practicing yoga for the first time, learning the value of connecting to your body and to yourself, like amidst the challenges of their life drastically changing. So that was really beautiful. but for myself, like rewind when I started yoga.

Bonnie (10:43.735)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (10:57.696)
I had battled an eating disorder for a really long time and yoga was the thing that helped me connect back to my body. And like I said, the timing was just right. I just was was ready for that. And so now I have my own business, just Lizzie Fisher coaching, where I work with women on healing their relationship and recovering from disordered eating patterns and disordered behaviors when it comes to exercise and food.

And just yeah, healing that relationship to food, body and self. Cause I think that when we do that, everything else is a little bit easier.

Bonnie (11:34.151)
Mm, mm. Love it. And also you have a podcast.

Lizzie Fischer (11:37.79)
And I have a podcast. Bunny's outside the box. Bonnie isn't on it.

Bonnie (11:40.214)
Mm-hmm. Yes. I have it on it. Bodies outside the box. I think this is all really important. You know, I think the the different slants that we all bring to the yoga room and why I think t so like why we're all important as teachers is there's some different sort of, you know, combination that we're all bringing. some cocktail of knowledge and of interest and of deep diving that is gonna serve different people in the room. And we can take each of those.

you know, kind of nuanced sort of learnings and bring them to folks in in a different way. So I I just love that the way that you're bringing it. Mm-hmm. Well you're doing the damn work. I was walking next to you, which is such a gift. Okay, so gosh. I'm like, let's see. That's how I feel right now. Well, I mean, truly, I think to hear you

Lizzie Fischer (12:18.036)
Hmm, thank you. You helped me get there, so thank you.

Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (12:33.248)
Yeah.

Bonnie (12:39.553)
What do want to say? I want to say that sometimes people think of yoga as a hobby. This is my feels right now, where like people are like, what's it really doing? How are you really helping people? Like what what expertise is it really bringing and how, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. And so when I just listen to you talk about your background and how you're interested in helping people and your own story of how you've landed here, the validity of

what you're doing and how you're helping feels really tangible. Like a and it it's not it's it's not fluffy out here, right? You're you're here ready to show up and and really be with people and to deliver something of value that helps people change their lives. And and I and I think because I have invested so much of my life to say like, no, this is a real fucking job. Like this is a real thing that like changes people's lives.

big on that. And so I think having this, you know, moment of reflection be like, yeah, I see you. And it really matters.

Lizzie Fischer (13:45.14)
It that it like really can change people's lives. I mean, I have started going to some classes here at a place I never expected to take yoga at. at a gym. And the teacher, he just like I just I love that in yoga you are forever a student. And I have been so challenged by the things he's sharing during class of like ego and like

Bonnie (13:54.568)
Mm.

Lizzie Fischer (14:14.151)
It's not like all the things that people say at the beginning of class, he weaves them into class constantly. And it's just constantly reminding you like it's not about the pose. Where's your breath? Like and it really for me, as someone who's who loves to do it right, like that that's my ego that I battle when I'm doing yoga is like doing it right, very like performance-based, which I think comes from just my background, but

Bonnie (14:35.393)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (14:42.565)
that constant reminder of like, get out of your head, get into your body, get out of your head, get with your breath. Like it teaches me something every time I do it. And so I think that you can let it change your life if you are in relationship with it. Or it can be like a transactional exercise thing that you do and move on.

Bonnie (15:00.395)
Right. Well I think this goes back to the word exposing. Like you're gonna see yourself. Like if you put yourself in an experiment experience where you're like, I see Which is confronting sometimes.

Lizzie Fischer (15:02.729)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (15:11.303)
Yeah. Yeah. And I could tune it all out. I could just be like, I'm just here to move. And that would be a different experience. But like allowing yourself to fully experience it is pretty cool.

Bonnie (15:17.419)
Yeah. Yeah.

Bonnie (15:24.693)
Yeah. Well, especially coming from gymnastics, there's a lot of people who have a dance background or gymnastic background who end up coming to learn with me as teachers. And yoga gives something different. You're like get to use some of those skills your body is primed for for yoga in some ways, or the flexibility demand that

Lizzie Fischer (15:41.897)
I said.

Bonnie (15:44.962)
That yoga gives and also some of the strength stuff that yoga gives. But then it's a different organization of the body, I wanna say. Like the posture is a little bit different, the pace is definitely different. And like there's so many ways to do yoga. There's there's such a thing as yoga competitions. I don't know. Have you ever seen that? yeah. People do yoga competitions where they have to hold a pose for so long.

Lizzie Fischer (16:05.341)
No, what?

Bonnie (16:11.499)
And it's and you get like points, you're trying to win a competition at yoga asana. So, like, like there's that part of yoga, right? And like where somebody says in some lineages of yoga, where you're like, you can't do other poses, you have to pass these poses off, and they have to be like good in this way, right? So you can find that in yoga, and then you can find the parts in yoga where you're like, fill your body, feel like the insides of your body with this. Like the outsides might be looking like a way, but like what does the inside look like?

Lizzie Fischer (16:20.322)
So

Lizzie Fischer (16:27.382)
Right. Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (16:35.998)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (16:41.236)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (16:41.481)
And and I love that there is all of that nuance. And for folks I think who have come from gymnastic dance, who would like there's like a this is what you do, you have to have your body look exactly this way and it is not right and you're gonna get the points and you're

And then you land in yoga and you're like, maybe there's another way too. Yeah. Yeah. So I'm glad that you're you found that.

Lizzie Fischer (16:55.924)
Yeah

huh.

Lizzie Fischer (17:08.106)
Yes, thank you. Yeah. Well, there was like a cue that he said yesterday that really reminded me of you. We were holding like a wild thing for way too long, but that was a part of it. it's not actually too long. I just felt like it was too long. and he said, You're choosing to be still. Let it move, let it play. It's your choice. And I just was like, I don't have to hold it perfectly the whole time.

Yeah. Yeah.

Bonnie (17:34.637)
Love. I love that.

okay. We'll t talk we'll we'll chat more about where you're going and and who this teacher is and I can come take a class with you. That'd be fun. Okay. So let's talk about flow school. When like you came to flow school then eight months ago. What did you expect when you came to flow school?

Lizzie Fischer (17:44.073)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (17:57.269)
Hmm, well, my truth is I just was a big fan of yours. Like, I loved obviously mentorship together for the four to six months. I can't remember however long we worked together was lovely. And I was like, everything, the way that you taught is was really intriguing to me because it was this balance of strength meets play and a lot of the like.

Disordered eating recovery world is very like wait to exercise till you're like kind of at this point, XYZ point of like healing or recovery, right? And for me, that wasn't my experience. Like movement and like strong movement, empowering movement was really healing for me. So I loved that the way that you teach is this blend of like curiosity, permission, play, and

strong and challenging, because that's how I love to teach. And so it was just like, ugh, I want to just absorb what Bonnie has to share, was really why I did flow school. And because I wanted to meet you in person after working with you for so long. But I think expectations-wise, I have been teaching for only four and a half years, but I was like a pretty confident teacher going into flow school because I had taught nearly 10 classes a week from like

early on. I just like threw myself in, like auditioned everywhere I could and had a lot of reps really quick, which is not, I feel like a normal experience for a lot of yoga teachers. and I was like, yeah, I know my style. I've got my flow. I know like I I feel pretty comfortable with the way that I teach. And then I went to flow school. It was such a challenge for me, even though the the way we moved was similar.

Bonnie (19:27.853)
Yeah.

Bonnie (19:48.587)
Okay, yes.

Lizzie Fischer (19:54.711)
I there was just a lot. Like I felt like just a baby beginner teacher again, which is great. Good it's always good to begin again. But it was a a challenge that I didn't expect. so I don't really know what I expected other than excitement. Yeah.

Bonnie (20:06.145)
Mm.

Bonnie (20:10.239)
Okay. Okay. Well I w love. Love all this. let let's keep diving. So what made it hard? What it made what made it feel like you were a a baby teacher again after teaching so much?

Lizzie Fischer (20:15.402)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (20:22.226)
Well

At the end of flow school, not to like, is it okay to expose what happens at the end of flow school? Okay, great, great, great. So we have to teach, right? And you're only teaching for three minutes, probably, right? 'Cause you're just teaching one flow. and it was just a way of cueing and a pacing that I was not used to.

Bonnie (20:28.957)
You can you can

Bonnie (20:38.669)
Hopefully. Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (20:51.25)
Even though in my mind I already did a lot of those things. Like I'd be like, yeah, that's how I cue. For example, you could probably explain this better than I do, but how it's like lift your right arm, right? and there's a lot of like weird ways people can say that. Like, your right arm is lifting, you know? there's more, but people understand, I'm sure. And I think I didn't realize

Bonnie (21:05.377)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (21:10.007)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (21:20.284)
all of the little things that maybe I had built habits around that I didn't love. They were just like what I did. and I feel like teaching in that space, not that it needs to be perfect, but it just gave me space to reflect on all of the like the things that I had kind of taken on from not refining the way that I taught. And I feel like it was

Bonnie (21:22.753)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (21:45.921)
Hm.

Lizzie Fischer (21:51.099)
an opportunity to really look objectively at like what am I doing and how can I do it in a way that feels more true to how I actually want to teach and that's most beneficial to my students. Does that answer your question? Okay.

Bonnie (22:06.357)
Yeah. It it it does. It does. Well, yes. And I just one thank you. I'm just thank you for this conversation in general. I mean, this is like tell me what you think, and I'm here for whatever that comes out. And I what I don't know, I I didn't pre-prep you, so we're just gonna follow this conversation. that

Lizzie Fischer (22:24.843)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (22:29.427)
it was feeling confronting, I think sometimes some in that is is what I'm hearing. But also that that's some of what you're like, actually I didn't I I want to be better at this and I want to refine this. And I I think from my own reflection and desire is to really make this a craft. Right. To really say like there is a way that you can lean into being a yoga teacher that is hella hella legit and powerful.

Lizzie Fischer (22:33.238)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (22:40.438)
Mm.

Bonnie (22:59.413)
And what are we doing and why are we doing it? And then how can we refine what what it is we're doing and why? especially because things are out there. I saw an ad for a yoga teacher training for 200 hours. It's all online recorded, and you pay 400 bucks for it. So that might look like a good deal to somebody who's like, I'm gonna go get my yoga teacher training, but you and I can sit here and have this conversation and be like,

Lizzie Fischer (23:14.699)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (23:27.541)
If somebody is taking a recorded 200 hour teacher training for 400 bucks, are they actually ready to step in front of a room and teach anybody? Because all you need to step in front of a room by a studio is to get a 200-hour training. And that's a no. Like, like, and and and and not even speaking to the students at all. I'm like, that teacher won't feel held. They won't understand how to walk into that and feel confident in in things and have a feedback experience.

and I I think it's so unfortunate to set teachers up in that way because it does require a practice of teaching and and for you to even dive into that, be like, I'm gonna teach apparently I'm teaching 10 classes a week, that teaching is a practice, it's something we can get better at. so I'm grateful for you to like put yourself in the flow school room and do that. Now, like to jump into like the end part where you're teaching for that three minutes.

You were in a room with other teachers who were also having their own experience. How did that feel to teach where you're like, I don't know. Wow, I'm feeling like all the fills about this, like learning here and refining what I'm doing. And now I'm in front of other teachers. How was that?

Lizzie Fischer (24:42.112)
How did it feel to teach it in front of other teachers?

Bonnie (24:45.205)
Yeah, and what was that exchange like?

Lizzie Fischer (24:48.244)
Hmm, to be honest, intimidating, scary. I cried, but not because it wasn't a great time, I swear. But I like just got really emotional. I think I just was overwhelmed. I was like, wow, I'm feeling like like this thing that is like a huge part of just who I am, like teaching yoga, like was really hard for me. And I was like, damn, like I just had a really hard time doing my favorite thing.

Bonnie (24:50.349)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (24:56.493)
Ha ha.

Bonnie (25:00.578)
Yeah.

Bonnie (25:13.111)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (25:17.748)
Like I also play music and so it would be equivalent to if I like covered if I sang a song on stage and feel like I flopped, you know? Like it was just the same feeling. and that was interesting, but it was because of like my yoga practice and just like mindfulness. I feel like I was able to just kind of see myself from outside of myself and just have a lot of compassion of like, hey, you're just like learning, you're just in process.

Bonnie (25:18.376)
Hmm.

Bonnie (25:42.605)
Mm.

Lizzie Fischer (25:46.91)
And all the other teachers who I was with were supporting me in that. And we're like, no, we feel the same. Because I went, I think later in our group, and when I got got emotional, I feel like I I'm trying to remember, but I feel like my group was with me in that. They like, No, that was that was a lot, like for our nervous systems too, because it was your first time doing this like new thing in front of people that you you respect and that you think are also great teachers. so yeah.

Bonnie (26:06.795)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (26:16.819)
I don't know. It j it was challenging, it was beautiful. It was all the things.

Bonnie (26:20.811)
Yeah. Yeah. Thank you for sharing. It is. It's a lot. And I think that's been one of the mm things I've gotten the privilege to observe in Flow School is that we are we're entering. There's a little bit of nerves of one, people being like, Who is Bonnie? Is she a real human off the internet? and two, you don't know who's in the room and it's really important to me to set the stage that there is nothing to prove. Like y'all teachers.

Lizzie Fischer (26:23.637)
Is it one?

Bonnie (26:50.093)
I think everybody here is like ballot teacher bringing their own sort of magic to all of their communities. And we're landing here. You you have nothing to prove to me, and you have nothing to prove to other people. And you can set down any hats of like the pecking order of the teacher that you are in your community, whether you're like the brand new teacher in the room or the you're the teacher that's been teaching for 20 years, which I get both of that in the same flow school room. There's like an evening of the playing field in some way. And

There's an unlearning of saying, like, okay, so we've been doing it this way. Why are we doing it this way? What if we turn this sideways and look at it sideways and then move forward with it? So that the that's a lot. That's like reordering and the kind of the what we're about as teachers, it it makes us ask some questions. And it does require so much bravery to step into something new, like so much.

So much. And I you're so not alone. I think all the all teachers who come in and you're like, great, I'm gonna teach it for everybody. And it takes it takes the chunk of time to to get us into because there's other little teaching moments, other moments where we're sharing things, but to the end is we teach a specific thing, a flow school. but we've built a new language together and we've built some trust together.

And everybody's in the experience of like, okay, WTF, I just created this. This is the first time. And the first time you do anything sucks.

Lizzie Fischer (28:16.991)
Totally. And that is what is really cool about the permission you give teachers to and some of my all of my favorite yoga teachers like in the online space do this. They're like, don't create a new thing all the time. Like reiterate the thing that you're already working on and like refine it and get better and better at teaching it. And it's so it's just so much better. Like not that there's a hierarchy, but

Bonnie (28:19.929)
No.

Bonnie (28:44.987)
Lizzie Fischer (28:47.079)
If I had to say, like the ability, like anything, to practice it and get better at it, and for your students to look forward to the next iteration of it, I think is really, really cool. Especially because I mean a lot of the most popular sequences in yoga are repeated. So if you like give your people a month or however long to like repeat something.

Bonnie (28:49.099)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (29:01.516)
Yeah.

Bonnie (29:08.781)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (29:12.893)
It just makes sense when you break it down as opposed to the pressure that I know I felt when I first started teaching to have something new every single time.

Bonnie (29:19.467)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know I've been teaching the last three weeks, I've been teaching a class with the long side is the front side of the mat. So we I've had everybody turn their mats alongside front side. Yeah. And we've still turned and faced the the left and right, which are the short sides. But yeah. And it's been, you know, three weeks I've been teaching it, but it's a little bit different class every time I've gotten better at teaching it and

Lizzie Fischer (29:28.177)
Okay.

Lizzie Fischer (29:33.087)
Whoa.

Bonnie (29:47.98)
I find that sometimes because, you know, writing down my class, I'll teach this and then I'll probably look back to it in I don't know, November. Who knows? And I'll be like, yeah, I'm gonna teach that again and then I iterate on it again for another

Lizzie Fischer (29:55.165)
Is it all?

Lizzie Fischer (29:59.284)
Yeah. Hmm.

Bonnie (30:01.471)
Yeah, yeah. Love, love. Okay, so that was hard. That was a hard moment. You did it. how are your like I want to I would love to hear about the relationship with teachers and that building because I think that yeah, in this you know, to share about how it felt a little bit sticky almost to like get up and teach the thing. I I there's kind of two parts where you're teaching something that feels

kind of new, it's like familiar, but it's at a new angle. so there's that part of it, and then there's also the part where you're in front of people and you want to do a good job and these happen to be teachers. Can you say more about that experience with other teachers, just kind of in general with low school?

Lizzie Fischer (30:45.449)
It was cool. I mean, you're with like how many people were there? Sixteen? Yeah. Like from all different avenues of how long they've been teaching, where they're teaching, what kind of yoga, like all the things. And I really liked being in an environment like that where so different from teacher training in the sense that like teacher training is everyone on a similar mindset of like, we're all new to this, we're excited, like.

Bonnie (30:50.421)
Something like that. Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (31:11.557)
were starting from scratch, right? Like whereas Flow School, there's people who've been teaching for how long has Jen been teaching? Twenty years? Ten? Yeah. Something a lot of years. Jen had been teaching. I wanna say like 15, but and me for four and people who had never taught, like it just all over the place. And I think all those unique perspectives really makes it a special environment to learn in.

Bonnie (31:19.614)
gosh, maybe something.

Bonnie (31:38.318)
and the oldest person that has come to full school was also she was 66. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Love. so do you have a like thinking of I mean, I just I'm like my my my teacher, my teacher teacher heart, like the teacher of teachers heart. I'm just like

Lizzie Fischer (31:40.942)
yeah.

Yeah, so cool. Yeah.

Bonnie (32:02.103)
Fuck, I'm so proud of you, Lizzie. Well, no, actually, here's where I want to go. If you were to loop back now to flow school and you're like, okay, I'm gonna go back to flow school and I'm gonna take it for a second time. So I'm reiterating because sometimes I've had people that have taken flow school multiple times, especially as I was teaching it more more online than I'm teaching it right now, or people take it online in person, or in person and then online. so if you were to loop back now, how would you walk into that experience differently?

Lizzie Fischer (32:34.835)
I think I would be like blank canvas, like ready to not change my style, but just be like fully open. Not like the goal isn't to adapt my style, it's just to learn something new. Like I think I went into it with like certain goals of like, I'm gonna get comfortable with teaching at a faster pace and like breath.

Bonnie (32:57.408)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (33:04.713)
breath to movement pace. Like I'm a two breath to movement pace girly. Like that's what I like. Like I like to land there when we get to like the flow part. I like to land. not because it's a posed practice, but just like I like where no one feels behind kind of vibes, especially in a 60-minute class. But I think I went into it with like certain expectations and goals are cool. Expectations are not always bad, but I think that

Bonnie (33:21.527)
Totally.

Lizzie Fischer (33:33.683)
I would have rather gone into it just being like, I'm excited to learn, like whatever the experience has for me, kind of like how people start yoga classes of like release all expectations and just like receive what's there for you. that would be the only difference, I think. Yeah.

Bonnie (33:51.148)
Yeah. Mm. Mm. Okay. so when it comes to sequencing, because there is, I mean, there's there's several things I'm trying to give in flow school. One, group of other like-minded teachers, right? I think there that's something really powerful. some experience of actually teaching, because I think that's important, some feedback experience of one-on-one. but there's also

Lizzie Fischer (33:56.586)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (34:05.749)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (34:10.981)
Yeah.

Bonnie (34:17.045)
A method that I'm trying to teach in some way. And I'm gonna say it's it's like a soft method because there's some I think I don't want to say the word functional. There's like like what are our body positions? How is does a body move and how do you weave them within flow? And there's a lot of wiggle room in that for your everybody to bring their own voice. So in thinking about the actual content of like what was taught in regards to sequencing in particular, like.

Tell me about your experience with that. Does that felt like it was you're like, Well, this is like I teach or not and and your takeaway from that experience.

Lizzie Fischer (34:52.245)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (34:56.391)
Yeah. I love that part. I'm an anatomy nerd and I love just like the idea that our bodies are meant to move in all these different ways, in a general sense. And I do think that the yoga world lacks that often, like that there's not great balance in sequences. Oftentimes it's like we're working on hamstrings and the entire class is like hamstring stretches.

like those kinds of things just really they don't they don't settle well in my own body. And so I really appreciate your approach to like here's all the different ways that the body can move and a sequence.

Bonnie (35:32.481)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (35:42.537)
I don't want to say the word should, but a sequence might benefit a body really well when it moves through all these different ways.

Bonnie (35:49.751)
Yeah.

Bonnie (35:53.302)
Yeah, yeah, that's well said. Well said. Awesome. Okay, so one last question for this and then I want to dive into some of your things. did you leave with anything unexpected from Flow School that has felt like an expander to you?

Lizzie Fischer (35:55.539)
Hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (36:11.059)
Yes. There was something I thought of earlier and I really wanted to share it, but it lost I lost it. It will come back maybe.

Bonnie (36:19.489)
Well, while you're thinking about it, that's a phrase that I I say often in full school. I'm like, whether it's a storytelling, storytelling should be an expander in the room. Like if we're gonna stand up as leaders, like how do we give a show, demonstrate, like guide others to help them expand themselves and like find some freedom to move? And of course there's all the

Lizzie Fischer (36:21.077)
Okay.

Bonnie (36:42.537)
I don't know, the check mark things that like you say, like I'm like not gonna say there's a should 'cause it kinda depends on the class you're teaching, who you're teaching, what your goal is of a class. but I I think that phrase of being an expander feels important to me.

Lizzie Fischer (36:55.455)
Yeah. You know, I'd say it is and this is cheesy, but I mean it, that your whole thing is like, find your voice, right? Own the hell out of your voice.

I feel like that concept is has always been like very up here for me. I'm like, like I love that idea, but what does that mean? and I think that's what drew me to you is like I was like, there's a part of me that wants that, but I don't really even know what that would mean for me, right? When we started working together, like early 2025. and at Flow School, I can't remember what I said my goal was. I probably have it written down somewhere or you do, but it had something to do with like finding my voice.

and teaching, like rediscovering it maybe. And I do think that

In flow school, I just was you just give permission. Like you give a lot of permission to like tear it down and figure, like build it back up, figure it out. Like literally just experiment, fail, quote, flop is a more friendly way to say that. Like try all the things and not just doing what you feel like you should do.

do what feels right to you and like follow it and keep experimenting with it. And I do think that it just gave me permission to to fail. Like I had a really hard time failing. Like just, you know, perfectionism vibes and that moment of forced perceived failure in my teaching to the other teachers. Which is so funny. Like I'm sure if someone watched it on video they'd be like, Why are you being so dramatic?

Lizzie Fischer (38:39.957)
But for myself, how it felt with and honestly, this is a tangent, but for me, when my nervous system's unregulated whilst teaching, no matter how well quote, it's going, it feels like a flop because I feel like I'm projecting that energy. And that's often fair. So I think just that forced failure, we're gonna call it that, gave me a fresh place to start when I went back home. Of like,

Bonnie (38:40.553)
Absolutely.

Lizzie Fischer (39:09.821)
Okay. You just have to keep trying and like you're gonna get through it and find what feels right to you of how you want to teach. Like I don't today teach exactly how Bonnie teaches, like that's not the point of flow school. It is to take what serves you and add it into the way that you teach. And I think that yeah, that's my answer to that question.

Bonnie (39:35.438)
That's beautiful. That's beautiful. You know, I am always so impressed when it comes to that last day and we're finally like we're really like dropping into like, okay, we're gonna have like this official teaching moment, even though we've had other like baby teaching moments along the way. and we're gonna do air quotes official because I mean it's like noisy and we're like, I don't know, we're hanging, we're like hanging, but we're like taking some turns. that it all feels like a win to me.

Like truly and and the for you to say, like, this was a fail, this is a flop. And I, you know, as teachers, fellow teachers here, like, I know what it is. When you teach a class and you're like, Well, that was terrible, or I felt a way. So there's no way that that wasn't like the experience of others. but you how you have to like dig in and like stay with it and like keep giving. And other people are a hundred percent in their own heads.

Lizzie Fischer (40:26.141)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (40:30.071)
They're like, don't they're not in your head. They they're not having that experience. Which is always a good reminder. but watching you and every single person in your flow school group like teach is absolutely a win because everybody walked in there without having a shared language. We built a shared language, we examined what, why we're flowing and sequencing the way we're doing it. We experimented and broke a lot of rules and then built some new things.

And so sharing anything at all is absolutely the win.

Lizzie Fischer (41:04.041)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (41:06.377)
And it and it's supposed to be like the worst time. And I think that's always I'm just like, y'all remember this is gonna suck. So it's like the almost like that you know, before we step in front of a room and we're like, okay, everybody, so we're gonna teach like I have a brand new class for you and we're gonna get off the side of our mats, or let's take my class that I've been teaching. Like, we're gonna have long side, front side. We're probably gonna mess this up. I'm probably gonna mess this up, and it's gonna be a really good time. So you almost are setting the stage for it to be like.

There's gonna be some wonkiness, right? So I think for me to say, like, the first time is gonna suck. This is your first time teaching it, and you haven't had a whole lot of time to do this. Like we've been di together for a week, we've built a new language, et cetera. And so everything is a win here. However, it unfolds.

Lizzie Fischer (41:36.489)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (41:51.498)
Yeah. And I appreciate that it just takes out like the the hierarchiness of like what some aspects of yoga can be of like doing it perfectly or doing it like being put on a pedestal as a teacher. It's just like I'm with you. I'm just practicing too in a different way. Mm-hmm. No.

Bonnie (42:10.593)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, because none of us want to be pedestaled because there's only one one way to go. If you're put up, you're only going down. So this is why we're in a circle. This is why there's no head to the circle. This is love circles. Okay, so let's jump. We spent six months together in twenty twenty five, like January through June. And then we did full school together in November. But we did online membership or mentorship.

Lizzie Fischer (42:20.853)
True.

Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (42:42.561)
through those six months where you had a another job outside of teaching yoga. We'll call it your nine to five or eight to three, and you know, whatever it is. and you were teaching yoga, and you were like, I want to do something different. And you you already were, you're like, Okay, this is this is kind of what the things that I'm interested in. And you have now

built a business and that was a lot of our work together. It was like you knew what you wanted to do. And let's walk, like let me just walk next to you as you do the thing. And I know that for me, some of the mentorship that I have had where I've hired with somebody else, I've been like, I know what I need to do. I just need somebody to walk with me and to give me the little inputs and the connections of people, be like, hey, this is like go here, go here, do this. And

Like let's hold arms, let's link arms in in this portion. so getting to do that and watch you build something and then even this year to say, like, you know, you're like, My goal is for Instagram, let's do Instagram, you're like, I want six thousand followers by the end of June. It's like what? June hit and you were like, I'm at nine thousand or something like that. Right? But like you and and getting a front row seat like I have, you have you have

Lizzie Fischer (43:54.677)
Yes, which is crazy. But

Bonnie (44:06.453)
said no to something and we say no to something, you say yes to something else. So like we can, you know, old things apply everywhere, but it thinks very specifically then for what you're doing. You said no to some things that you were holding and people and and the flow of your day. So you could say yes more to what it is that you're building. And it is not a small thing to be your own boss and your own employee. And sometimes those characters in you fight, I know.

Lizzie Fischer (44:30.239)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (44:32.141)
I'm like wow, I'm being a really bad employee today or I'm being like be the boss, Bunny

Lizzie Fischer (44:37.541)
my god, yeah. I'm a really good employee for other people. Not a great employee for myself. I'm working on that part. Yeah. There's like, I think the the people pleaser, I wanna do really good version of me thrives under someone else telling me what to do, but then I don't want them telling me what to do. I want to do what I want to do. So now I'm figuring out how to bring that part of myself out in my own business life. So

Bonnie (44:45.374)
yeah, yeah.

Bonnie (45:04.981)
Yeah. Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (45:07.379)
Which is why I had to have a mentor for my first six months of building it because I could forever put other things on my plate and just like push it off. But but like the d the desire kept growing. So it was like I have to do this for myself or I won't do it.

Bonnie (45:22.241)
Yeah. Well, and I I mean, just to speak to our connection in specific, I do really well working with people who like know what they want to do and they know where they wanna go and they're willing to put in the work to do it. They just need somebody to walk with them in it. And and so and then to like be like, You are fucking amazing because you're like, Okay, if I'm gonna do it, you're a deep diver. You're like, I'm gonna go in, I'm gonna experiment.

Lizzie Fischer (45:35.221)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (45:48.652)
And I'm gonna try things over and over again. I'm gonna see what sticks. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna take my foot off the pedal here because this is what I wanna do. And you have done that so well, like and watching you iterate and hone your voice, like literally say, like, okay, I think I'm gonna do this, I think I'm gonna do this. And then like over time to watch you actually step into I wanna call I I wanna say like you're the in-body experience now. Like there's a grounded way that you

share like I'm going to talk about on socials especially and having watched you kind of figure out that journey of like what exactly how is it that you want to word what you do with others and what is it exactly that you want to do. And you tried working with some clients and you're like, okay, I liked this part with this client, but I actually am really interested in this part of working with clients. And so to figure that out, which is gonna be a constant, it just is because

we're always in the beginning of somewhere. but you really have done such an amazing job of leaning in, even if that boss and employee of you is is a sticky relationship sometimes. I just like I want to give you mad props on on how you really have leaned into that.

Lizzie Fischer (46:44.159)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (47:02.754)
Hm, thank you. I appreciate that.

Bonnie (47:04.393)
Yeah. so tell me what is. Share right now. I'd love to hear about what it is that you have built and who it is that you love to work with and how.

Lizzie Fischer (47:18.963)
Yeah, well, it's I in its like current next iteration, but presently, and I will continue to do so, but in my coaching business I work with women. I'm open to working with all all people, but right now, like I work with women on recovering, like I said earlier, like disordered relationships with food and body. And I think the word healing is like complicated, but

it really is a healing process. So I'm gonna use it. But like healing that relationship to food, body and self. because for me, when I was deep in constantly thinking about food in my body, like because of disordered habits, my life was just dim. You know what I mean? Like I just couldn't be fully present with people. my mind was always busy. Like it was just a form of anxiety. And recovering from all of that, life is just like

Bonnie (47:57.95)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (48:19.015)
And I'm more present with the people around me. I'm present in my body, which means you're more present in your experience. And like that's invaluable to me. So it just felt like I have to share this with people. And when it started, it was very much just the mentorship piece, very like about food. And then I was like, this isn't like this is good, but the embodiment piece has to be there. and

Slowly but surely have like added that in and was creating content and was like, I I feel like I'm just talking about like I'm hitting the surface of what I want to say, but it's like we're not there yet, which is so interesting that like my account wasn't growing when I felt like I wasn't doing the thing I really wanted to do. and not that it's about numbers, but like you attract like auth authenticity attract people, right? So

Then we've continued iterating and I've got to a point where now I I'm doing yoga whilst teaching. Like that's what's happening in my videos. I'm talking about body image and intuitive eating principles, but like also culture and the way that like culture sees bodies and feminism and all the things. And I'm talking about that whilst doing very like flowy yoga, very like adjacent to what you see in your videos, Bonnie, but at a very like slow pace while I'm talking.

And people just love to watch it because it's very interesting to watch. Like maybe it's just our very ADHD culture, but it's like me yapping while doing yoga. But what's cool about it is that I love doing it. And that's really exciting that it's like what I love to do is what has been well received by people, which is pretty cool. And so my business is now evolving into coaching and yoga videos because I just

feel like I'm doing my people a disservice if I don't have yoga videos for them to take that I can fully say like this is safe for where you're at right now. like this is supportive for your journey. And I only know that because I made it myself. Not that that's the only yoga they can ever do. I don't want that to be the case, but I know it's a safe place for them to start. because it can be a little risky to like go to a class where they're giving you like

Bonnie (50:35.137)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (50:42.492)
Weird cues about sucking in your stomach and like not a lot of interoception and not a lot of self compassion, like that's that could be the class that makes them never want to do yoga again. So that is why I'm wanting to create like that resource so that it can be both at the same time.

Bonnie (50:57.613)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And working with specifically the people that you know, you're like, this is who I want to work with. Yeah. I love this. I love this. some people have a really hard time thinking about we're gonna use the word niche, like niching down, being like, This is who I wanna work with. With this idea that you just do the blanket statement of like I'm I'm gonna help.

whoever and and do the thing. So for you to zone in on women, for you to be like, I'm gonna help women, and I want to help women who are I think your Instagram profile says your orthorexia recovery. so you're bringing in both food and movement, which lands exactly with your own experience and what you've given, like what you've like gone through and now what you're giving. And to do that and

Lizzie Fischer (51:35.528)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (51:51.596)
I think that there's something so powerful, and I know that from my own experience, this is this is how I'm where I'm at as well. Is I had to, I had to set down the serving everybody. And it is when I was like, actually, who I really, who I really am for, who I really want to work with is yoga teachers. Like I really love teaching yoga to like all the people.

Lizzie Fischer (52:02.515)
Mm, mm-hmm.

Bonnie (52:15.731)
And I it's really important for me to actually continue to do that. And if teachers are in the room, teachers are in the room, but like kind of have like a regular scheduled class because it keeps me in the practice of doing the thing that I'm trying to teach teachers how to do. Like I have to stay in that practice. I have found that that's very important to my ability to teach teachers. but like I'm for the teachers. And there was a part of grieving in my own way of like having to set down kind of this other, like a different, even amorphous kind of

idea of who I was gonna serve and then to say like actually this is who I'm for and so when I hear you talk about like this is who I'm for and this is how I'm for them and for you to then have the traction that you do of like owning that be like this is who I'm for and actually I love to give it in this way and this is the way that's really powerful. How can we create this relationship body and food and you've you've created a content type because if we're gonna talk social because it's we're all in socials, right? We're all online.

then you're creating something that you love to create. So you're proud of it and you're able to own your voice when you're putting it out there. So then it resonates. Like there's a resonance in that. If you're just doing it just because that's what you should do, then it doesn't land the same. You're like you're doing it because you're like, I fucking love this. It lands different. And then you know who you're talking to and why you want to talk to them. And so then it is able to hone in on helping the people who actually want to find you.

Like that's the gift of like narrowing that down.

Lizzie Fischer (53:46.065)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. It is really beautiful. And it is hard to do. Like if anyone's trying to do that kind of thing themselves, it's hard to be like, I'm gonna close myself off to like all these people. But like, you know, the more specific you are, like the more people feel seen. So I think that it was a tough decision to like even put the word like orthorexia recovery coach in my bio. But it's like, because what if people who aren't

Bonnie (53:47.585)
Yeah.

Bonnie (53:51.977)
No, no it is.

Lizzie Fischer (54:13.842)
like whatever, see that and feel like it's not for them. Like they'll find what what works for them. But like I know that for me, what that's what I went through. And so it's a lot easier for me to speak to that experience and to help people through that. And I think since then things have just been easier because I know who I'm talking to, which I think that that's advice you gave me with recording yoga videos. You were like, visualize who it's for, don't just like teach to general pop. Like

Bonnie (54:19.457)
Yeah.

Bonnie (54:43.266)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (54:43.934)
Think of who you're teaching for and it makes a huge difference.

Bonnie (54:47.285)
Yeah, absolutely. Like, and I know that you want to record videos like where you've been talking of even here in this conversation of like recording videos for your clients in specific. It is. It's like I can visualize the people in the room going to do the things even if we're doing it at different times. It totally helps. Like it's real ass humans like here, even for this conversation. There's people that are gonna listen to this conversation, even if they're not here right now. And so this matters. Yeah. One.

Lizzie Fischer (55:01.747)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (55:12.126)
Yeah.

Bonnie (55:14.567)
I had this random epiphany once and somebody was asking me about about niching down, about like creating their audience and being like, I want to say the things. And I was like, you know what? I think it's like dog training. Because if you're gonna get a dog trainer and to help you, so I was I'm thinking of like at one point I had a 90-pound

Great Daned Weimar on her, and she is super sweet, but she was a puppy, and it was a lot of dog, and especially dog that big has to be trained. And so I'd have a trainer come once a week and work with me, but the dog doesn't, you know, like the dog is gonna go, dogs are gonna like go do their thing, and if if somebody's not being the boss, they're gonna try to be the boss, and that doesn't work very well, and then you have all like a lot of things, right? So if a dog is trained.

It knows how to relax. It knows who to follow. And I think about if you are the leader of your business and if you want to decide on who you serve, this is like you are being you're you're being the dog owner. So I think that dog training school is more for the person who's the owner of the dog than the dog itself, right? The dog is like, I'm a hand out, you I'm here. And then a dog owner is like, okay, well, if you sit down.

Lizzie Fischer (56:28.436)
Ha ha.

Lizzie Fischer (56:33.428)
Yeah.

Bonnie (56:36.257)
Then I'm gonna give you a treat. So the dog owner has to learn how to like be consistent and pay attention to the dog and help them sit down and then reward them. And then the dog, in in exchange, then the dog is like, I don't have to carry this. And this person is gonna take care of me. So I think that in deciding to hire a dog trainer to help you learn how to do the thing, right? This is like as business owners, when we decide who we're going to like this is

Lizzie Fischer (56:43.348)
Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (57:05.375)
I'm not trying to compare people to dogs, but like if we're like trying to figure out who is like who's in our care and how do we help them? How do we help them find ease? How do we say, okay, go run free? Like you don't, like you're not you're not you're not trapped here. Go be free. Okay, now you just get to relax. Okay, now it's time to like get in the car, right? And they feel held. So it you know, kind of as an analogy, like the dog feels held if they don't have to do all the holding in the household. And so as business owners, while it might feel like

I can just be out here and do the thing. If you want to like really help hold somebody, then you have to show up with them. You have to learn how to show up with them. And so there's a like something you might have to give up in that. Like you have to pay attention and be consistent. Like you truly do. Like you can't just like close your eyes by it. Like this person's standing there, how do you help them? Because otherwise they're gonna be like, Am I supposed to do something here or not? So I don't know, does that make sense?

Lizzie Fischer (58:01.403)
Absolutely. Yeah. Which I think is a part of being a yoga teacher that definitely an online yoga teacher training can't teach you. Yeah.

Bonnie (58:10.637)
No. No, you gotta be in the room. You have to have like in in room experience and unless you wanna only teach online, which then it might work well.

Lizzie Fischer (58:22.26)
Yeah. But if that is something that someone that's the only their only option because it's affordable, like doing that and then adding on Flow School, prime, prime combo. Because as much as I benefited benefited from that experience, being someone who's taught for a short chunk of time, doing it, and I told you this at Flow School, like this is so good for new teachers too, because you

Bonnie (58:33.153)
Mm.

Lizzie Fischer (58:51.646)
cannot like you can start with way better habits than the ones that you will build if you don't do something like this where you're practicing speaking clearly it's back the thought I had earlier amazing wow we love when things come back but that they're able to

Bonnie (59:05.269)
Okay, I'm ready.

Lizzie Fischer (59:15.208)
Yeah, just like teach skillfully off the jump because you actually teach the practical skills that a lot of teacher trainings just like blow through. so so grateful for that. But the thing that I wanted to circle back to, and this is similar to the way you taught us to cue, is to kind of say what you mean and mean what mean what you say. And that has been a struggle for me my whole life. And doing

Bonnie (59:24.029)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (59:44.605)
my having my own business and teaching yoga have been so confronting because learning how to say what I mean and mean what I say, like has been such a journey. And it's a it's a version of finding your voice, but speaking my truth without being like scared of it coming out right or being perfect or hurting someone's feelings or like whatever it might be. the people pleaser cloud was heavy for so long. And so getting to a point where

Bonnie (01:00:04.717)
Mm.

Lizzie Fischer (01:00:14.758)
I could do that. And even practicing that through the way I cue was powerful because it was just a like a micro practice in the grand scheme of like that goal of saying what I mean. Does that make sense? Yeah. Kind of like we practice meditation and mindfulness in very like low stakes moments, sitting on my couch or whatever, so that IRL.

Bonnie (01:00:32.671)
Absolutely. Absolutely.

Lizzie Fischer (01:00:44.614)
I can have that regulation. It feels yeah, just like a little a nugget of something to practice that was really impactful for

Bonnie (01:00:50.869)
Hmm. I love that. That's so like pointed. Like it's the exact connection. Mm. Yeah. And because you can't apologize for it. You're like, okay, I'm here to tell you how to do it, what to do. And I'm gonna be like, well, you know, maybe this, or you're like, okay, well, here's here's the order. Like this is what works. Yeah. Yeah. And I'll yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (01:00:58.376)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (01:01:06.537)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (01:01:10.856)
Yeah. Yeah. That's what we're doing. And it's intentional. Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:01:18.357)
Absolutely. Thank you for sharing. I would love to if there's a is there a way that people can connect with you or sign up for anything with with you right now.

Lizzie Fischer (01:01:28.602)
Yeah. I mean, I always have one on one coaching open, but I'm gonna do a group, I think, in September. But if people want to be like in the loop, just follow me on Instagram. I do all the things there and you can sign up for my newsletter in my bio. But yeah, Instagram is a great way to connect with me. I do my very best to respond to all the messages people send me. I don't get that many, don't worry. but I think that it's

was I gonna where was I gonna go with that? yeah, just like message me, please. I love talking to people about these things. I feel like people worry that people are like gatekeeping information because of them being in like a helping profession of some sort. And like I'm not here to gatekeep all the things. Like if you have questions, I would love to talk to you. Yeah.

Bonnie (01:02:18.689)
Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think this is how we build trust, I think, for is for folks listening to this who teachers or non-teachers who are interested in your work and how and being supported. Like amazing, right? Like yes, go like do the thing. Go every go connect with Lizzie. I'll I'll put I'll put your I'll put your Instagram stuff and the things in the show notes so so you can everybody can easily click on that. and then

Lizzie Fischer (01:02:22.579)
Yeah.

Lizzie Fischer (01:02:34.686)
Yeah.

Bonnie (01:02:43.967)
Also as I think business to business is like other teachers who are out here like trying to do things, it's like we're like whether you're trying to teach yoga or work in any particular like mm little slant of of service providing, which we d which we are all doing, it's like it really is about conversations and about being real ass humans here together.

I mean, we're all just figuring it out and we're always at a new place. I'm like, we're at the beginning again. We woke up again. We're at the beginning again.

Lizzie Fischer (01:03:14.758)
Again.

Bonnie (01:03:20.253)
You moved. So now you're at another beginning, another threshold. Yeah. Yeah. And it truly is like the shakeup. It's a transition time. And I think this summer season where we're at is like it it's big. And so there's a lot of energy of expansion in that and can be confronting in ways, but it's like really beautiful. Like it there's something really powerful in all of it. Yeah. Okay.

Lizzie Fischer (01:03:22.74)
I am a good beginning though. I needed it.

Bonnie (01:03:49.994)
Lizzie, thank you so much for this conversation today.

Lizzie Fischer (01:03:52.542)
Thank you, Bonnie. So happy to be that I got to have this conversation with you.

Bonnie (01:03:56.363)
Yeah, thanks for sharing about Flow School and about where you've been and about who you serve. Again, I'll put things in the show notes. Flow School is happening as we speak in November in person. So if we're here in Portland, so come Portland for five days. I'll put that in the notes as well. So that's easy to find. And the fun thing is that now that you're local, there's a handful of people who are kind of localish. I mean, but like, you know, like there's a

maybe four hour spread. Let me take Portland as central. there's there's people who are local ish and I always invite local people to come back for at least a portion of a day whenever there's per like flow school happening in Portland. So it's fun to have alumni come back into the room with new people and to feel that energy of like, I just want all these people to know each other because they're like the coolest teachers ever.

Lizzie Fischer (01:04:39.656)
Mm-hmm.

Lizzie Fischer (01:04:51.164)
I've already been planning on it, don't worry.

Bonnie (01:04:53.067)
I know. Yes. Good. Okay, y'all. catch Lizzie on the gram and share this conversation with somebody who it might feel really important for them to hear. in many ways, like the we've we've walked through a lot of different types of conversations here. but otherwise we will catch you in the socials or in the room, in our emails, in our inboxes, in the DMs, like drop in and we hope you have the most amazing day.

Thank you, Lizzie.

Lizzie Fischer (01:05:23.611)
Mm, thank you.