221 - Moving with Curiosity w/Trisha Durham

Trisha Durham joins us today! She's a movement trainer who "helps curious people to move more comfortably, kindly, competently," and we talk about the process of finding her voice as a teacher. 

We talk about her journey from Ashtanga to vinyasa, finding freedom in movement, how to develop and make money as a teacher, and so much more.

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The music for this episode is Threads by The Light Meeting.
Produced by: Grey Tanner

Transcript

Bonnie (00:02.902)

Welcome back to the podcast, everyone. Today I have a guest with me who works with yoga teachers, who I have loved following on Instagram, like praises to social media. So thank you, social media. Again, I will just, sometimes I truly will tear up when I start talking about Instagram and the influence it's had in my life and the way that it has been life-changing with who it's connected to me with.

the opportunities I've had and just the personal growth that I've been able to experience by continually putting myself out for almost 10 years. So that's a whole, that can be a whole wrap, the whole we dive into. But today my guest is Trisha Durham. And I have loved following Trisha because she works with yoga teachers. She...

works with non-yoga teachers and teaches yoga that is that middle ground, the space where you're not trying to push yourself crazy hard, you're not trying to wrap yourself in a blanket and sleep, but you're like, but what else, whatever, what's all the other stuff? And how do we make this approachable for a lot of different people and to meet us where we are? And I love that you have shared so much of your background and

your questions of yoga, you're not afraid to use your voice. And in my work with yoga teachers and in helping people own the hell out of their voice and to pay attention to the way they're showing up in the room and being a leader, I love the way that you show up. So welcome to the podcast.

Trisha (01:45.477)

Thanks for having me, Bonnie. I'm so excited.

Bonnie (01:48.706)

Ah, so I am excited to go into first off is talking about voice. And I know for myself in leading yoga teachers and helping people that so many people are really nervous about sharing what they think or how they teach and standing up in front of the room.

And so I think this conversation, I'm stoked to be able to dive into a little bit of how you've got to the place that you are and what running a yoga business is like and how you do that and how you do that as an online person. What does that look like with studios and the studio life conversation and really some tips and tools for teachers. But in your experience, well, actually I'm going to back up. So in my experience of working with yoga teachers.

they might look at me and say, oh, well, you just can say the things. I'm like, wait, wait. That's not what it's always been. Like I, and like kind of the perception that where you are today and where I am today, like this is who we've been in our lives. And that's easy. Maybe then for somebody to be like, Oh my gosh, I, like, I can't, or I won't be able to get to that place. So, and like kind of the observation of

how you are owning the hell out of your voice and the way that you teach and how people might see you today. And I might assume that that's the way you've always been. So in regards to voice and your sharing, how did you get here? Like, what is that story of you owning your voice?

Trisha (03:32.897)

Yeah, that is, wow, a really powerful, potent question for me because when I did my first yoga teacher training at a studio, once graduation rolled around and, you know, our little cohorts, people are trying to sort out if they're going to be able to teach at the studio or not. The owner, who was also the, you know, person that led the yoga teacher training, when I

teaching at the studio, there was not a space for me. She was not going to have me at the studio, even though I had been a practitioner at the studio, prior to doing the yoga teacher training. And she, I'll never forget this. And it's, I think fueled me throughout my career, but she told me I hadn't found my voice.

She literally told me I had not found my voice yet. I didn't know what it was I was trying to say. And it was just done in such a way that lacked any kind of, I don't know, empathy or kindness. It was just pretty direct and a lot of hard edges in that message was delivered. And so I left there and...

Bonnie (04:30.062)

Hmm

Bonnie (04:52.086)

Yeah.

Trisha (04:57.577)

had never really been told that because I've always had a lot of strong opinions and I know what I like and I know what I don't like. And so I ended up going on to then having to just you know, and this was 12 years ago or more now where we weren't as all connected and so I literally made a cold call to a.

to like a gym, a fitness, it was actually a women's fitness center and made a cold call and they hired me and I taught yoga like in the middle of their gym on carpet and really harsh lighting. But what that did is it certainly almost really propelled me into my voice because I very quickly was allowed to say what I wanted to say rather than,

Bonnie (05:42.422)

Hmm.

Trisha (05:46.061)

kind of being confined by a studio that, you know, and I understand like if it's somebody's studio, they might have a certain message or branding, you know, that they want out there. And so I didn't have to kind of abide by any of that. So kind of some good and bad in that. I was just kind of.

Bonnie (05:59.447)

Yeah.

Trisha (06:02.409)

out there floating on my own trying to sort it out. But it did it hit me very hard and I'll never forget you know that I was told I didn't have a voice. I really just didn't know what it was. My voice was like oh it's the worst thing you can hear after spending 200 hours in a training. But so left to my own devices I developed my voice and then I just continued on and

Bonnie (06:07.662)

Thank you.

Hmm.

Bonnie (06:22.326)

Hmmm

Trisha (06:26.705)

taught in these studios. I made my way into the mainstream studios after a while, but my voice never quite lined up ever with the mainstream yoga culture community, at least in my town. And I was always trying to kind of really be accepted and fit in. And I guess you can't force things because I just didn't really resonate with the messages that were out there and the ones that were

approved of and accepted. I had other things. I had deeper things I wanted to say and talk about, but I did. I taught for a good long many of years without talking and saying the things I wanted to, so my voice was stifled. Not because I didn't have one, but it's because I was trying to fit in, and so I did that as long as I can. And after a while, if you've ever kind of held back and not been yourself, you know you can only do that maybe for so long.

um before you just you can't do that anymore and I just I finally reached that I finally reached that the pros the cons of being in a studio and having a schedule and classes um it just I couldn't hack it anymore and then I turned to Instagram.

Bonnie (07:41.189)

Yeah.

Trisha (07:43.777)

And Instagram was an outlet for me. It was, I love that you speak so highly of Instagram because you know, it kind of get that bad, you know, idea of social media. I love Instagram too. I have learned so much. I've met so many great people and it really became this online community. And I knew, I knew that there was people out there who...

Bonnie (07:45.97)

Mm.

Trisha (08:05.677)

I would speak the same language with when it came to movement. And that's why I was able to just really hone in on Instagram and connect. And I like being there. You have to like being there. I like being there. I'm still there. I'm majorly there. And so that's where I share my voice.

Bonnie (08:18.779)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (08:26.501)

Mmm.

Bonnie (08:30.634)

Yeah, shout out to Instagram. And I really do say that, like, I mean, there's several pieces here I wanna go back to, but I really do say, like, lead with how much I like it, because social media does get such a bad rap. And like a lot of things, there is an and, there's a middle space for that, it's not one or the other, although there might be some people who use it as one.

Trisha (08:32.483)

I'm going to go to bed.

Bonnie (08:59.894)

or the other. So, yeah. When you say that you weren't allowed to say what you want, what did you want to say?

Trisha (09:11.761)

I wanted to just be real and talk about the things that we're all feeling underneath the surface but doesn't quite fit the yoga vibe, the mainstream yoga vibe anyway. We're all feeling these things underneath, you know, kind of negative self-talk, just the stress of society, of the world that we live in.

Bonnie (09:28.035)

Hmm.

Trisha (09:43.317)

I just wanted to kind of speak to those things and also just some of these silly rules that are kind of made up around movement and what's right and wrong. And I wanted to address those things head on and talk about those things. And it's kind of like, no, I don't wanna quite, you don't wanna hash all that up.

Bonnie (10:03.736)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (10:05.069)

Yeah, and so I just, I couldn't quite, and then when I would be, or I would, then I was kind of being aggressive, or, you know, causing trouble, so to speak. So, yeah. And pick and choose, you know what I would say, and ah, you know, I just, that wasn't my authentic voice I found.

Bonnie (10:18.658)

Fascinating.

Bonnie (10:23.012)

Yeah

Bonnie (10:28.838)

It's, yeah, well, and it's interesting, you know, the thing that's popping into my head is, so I grew up Mormon and left the church about eight years ago. So like definitely from like a high demand religion that there's a certain way you believe things, et cetera. And when I left, there was a chunk of time that there's some other friends that I had that are also ex-Mormon, and they had started going to a Unitarian church. And they were like telling me, like, they were like sharing, they're like, actually it's really cool. They're like weaving together all these different thoughts

and ways of thinking, there's like female pastors, there's, you know, et cetera. So we went to this Unitarian Church and I thought it was so beautiful. Like they're talking about Barry Oliver. They're talking about, you know, they're just like talking about things. I remember during election time and during some other like larger experiences within the community that like people were having.

you know, kind of feelings about, that they would just talk about the things. And it wasn't something that was talked around where you just maybe talk about an idea without giving it context, without giving it something to relate to. And that's kind of where I'm hearing you say, where it's like, we can talk about maybe the principle, but we're not gonna talk about the specifics of how the principle actually relates to us in real life and how that could.

You rock the boat, shall we say, within like the dogma of something. And so having come from, I know myself personally, coming from like a space where there was a lot of like, this is the way you do it and not how you do it. And then finding a release of that, even just with religion and then seeing this Unitarian church that's like, all of this. I was like, okay, cool. And that's definitely how I approach yoga as well, where there can be a lot of dogma and where it has come from a traditional place where it's like, this is what you do and don't.

and then finding this opening to be like, well, what if yoga has the Unitarian? What if there's like a Unitarian version of yoga? Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.

Trisha (12:32.801)

Yeah, I love that. Yeah. I yeah, it kind of just you know, that well, you know, it's a common word now, right? Like this toxic positivity or such. It's like we don't want to talk about anything bad to bring it down. It's like, okay, well, with this little studio, it's not a vacuum, we have to go back out into our cars and drive and pass the issues of the world, you know, they're

Bonnie (12:57.934)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (13:04.142)

Yeah.

Bonnie (13:04.99)

Yeah, well, you came from a dance background. So, and ballet is quite dogmatic.

Trisha (13:09.326)

Yes.

Trisha (13:13.841)

Well, yeah, it was actually a very easy transition, you know, from classical ballet at the professional level into a stanga. You know, once I left the professional world the first time, you know, I found myself, yeah, into yoga, which is 20 years ago now. But and so the only.

The only show in town was a Shtanga. There wasn't yet this hot yoga boom that was now happening. So I didn't know I was going into a Shtanga studio, that that's what I was practicing. I just knew I wanted to try yoga. And so I got into a Shtanga, and I was good at it because the Shtanga was very alignment based. And these lines, like if you want a line, I can make a good line for you.

I'm, it's in my DNA at this point. So I took to a Shtanga rather quickly, but it was because it was so physical and alignment based. And it was more of like, oh, I'm being praised yet again for my physicality, the way that you are in ballet or not.

Bonnie (14:23.187)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (14:27.713)

And so it was a little bit of like a drug with that, with Ashtanga in those early years. I practiced Ashtanga, the primary series for 10 years before becoming a teacher. And then when I became a teacher, it was within Ashtanga studio. And so we were taught how to teach the modified primary. Yeah.

Bonnie (14:51.359)

I have never practiced ashtanga. I know, I know, but I love to listen to people talk about ashtanga. So even for you to like, to have done ballet to practice ashtanga for 10 years. And then how long did you teach ashtanga?

Trisha (14:53.49)

Oh wow.

Trisha (15:10.849)

I only taught it for maybe the first couple years out of training, but then even when people would take my vinyasa that had kind of experience with the ashtanga, it took a long while for the ashtanga to get out. It depends how the go tanga. But I only actually taught it properly, I guess, if you will, first couple years out.

Bonnie (15:28.305)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (15:31.943)

For what?

Trisha (15:39.021)

where I was doing like a lead primary.

Bonnie (15:41.87)

Okay, so like that's a kind of a big shift to have dedicated so much of your life to that then to jump into teaching and fairly quickly really to not do it. What changed?

Trisha (15:52.821)

Um, I was really burned out and pissed off with just the scene of that I was experiencing again, just in my little corner of the world. Um, I nearly, I nearly quit teaching. Um, and it, that was, uh, I was really grappling with that decision. Like I've been a mover my whole life. Like.

Bonnie (15:58.37)

Hmm.

Trisha (16:18.073)

I've been to college, you've gotten master's degrees and tried that route. I'm a mover and I have to move and it is the expression of my existence and identity and it's what I do. And so I didn't leave it obviously, but I made a huge left turn, right? Like I made a major shift because it was either leave or really turn a corner here and make something happen.

Bonnie (16:18.775)

Same.

Bonnie (16:33.909)

Mm.

Trisha (16:47.449)

different with this.

Bonnie (16:49.506)

Yeah. Well, you talk a bit about working with studios and quitting studios. If you're making that big of a turn, and I'm just thinking about those who might be listening, who, you know, I think there's, I don't know, there's a lot of studio stories out there. There's amazing studio cultures and there's some studio cultures that are pretty shitty. And so for you to kind of be in the community of Ashtanga and be teaching that and then all of a sudden to make a switch and

and become a little bit more curious about vinyasa or kind of skills and drills, et cetera, playful movements of like, okay, what else happens with the body? Like that's like a whole studio shift.

Trisha (17:35.161)

Yeah, yeah, I, you know, I, I'm a responsible adult. I realized I was making my whole income from yoga. I didn't just like, you know, I, you know, pared down, made some shifts. I guess one thing about not one good thing, honestly, actually about not being accepted into that first studio.

is that I didn't have all my eggs in one basket. I have many of my peers that were accepted into that studio, they only ever taught at that studio. Also because some owners don't want their teachers teaching at other places. And so they weren't allowed. So they were really like tucked in there, right? I didn't have that. So...

Bonnie (18:04.578)

Mm.

Bonnie (18:18.026)

Yeah.

Trisha (18:22.281)

It was really beneficial because I had my eggs in a few baskets. I had started to offer like some little just group classes of my own without a studio. And then I started doing a few little privates here and there. But I was still at the studio because I knew...

I had a plan. I was playing the long game. I always played the long game. So I just, I stayed in where I could. I, you know, got rid of the worst of the worst and I just was always kind of shuffling around with that. And then I left town to get some training and I'm like, let me just see yoga outside of my town because this guy, something different here. Please let me see there's something different. So I went to San Francisco.

Bonnie (19:01.207)

Yeah.

Trisha (19:09.073)

And I did a 500 hour training with Jason Crandell. And that restored my faith a bit in yoga because at the time in the early aughts or late aughts, and he had a message that wasn't really quite out there yet. He was a little bit more like, yeah, we don't have to do these things so strict, these things, so the alignment. So I just, he was very matter of fact, and I just kind of took to that. It was the first time I had like...

Bonnie (19:13.258)

Love him.

Trisha (19:38.949)

heard that or seen that in a yoga teacher. And it helped too that he was from Ohio. And so anyway, I came back a little refreshed, a little bit hopeful, and then I continued to kind of pave my path.

Bonnie (19:59.206)

Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I really like the work of Jason Crandall. Yoga Land was like one of the first podcasts I listened to about yoga. And I had somebody recently send me one of the podcast episodes for that. And they kind of, you know, I shared about, I shared a post recently on Instagram about different sorts of ways that people could play when their, the invitation is to go into Flying Pigeon. And

when there's people just hanging out in class and because they don't want to or can't whatever, they don't wanna do a flying pigeon, but then there's workshopping of flying pigeons. So what do those people do? Like, what else do they do? And so I did this post, shared this post recently and then somebody replied to it or shared it on their stories and was like, they put on their stories, not commented and they put it to their audience of saying, is this like, isn't this kind of getting away

from teaching is this like more choreography. And then I have a conversation in my DMs with them and they actually sent me one of Jason Crandell's podcasts like on Yogaland. And so I love this conversation about him and his teaching and his influence. I've not done any trains with him, but I've done some workshops with him as well. So I'd love to have your kind of input on this of choreography coming from a dance background as well.

Because to me, choreography, this is a sequence of postures. And what is sequencing? Sequencing and choreography are basically the same thing. This is an order of things that we're putting in. That's my take. So, but you coming from your background. So choreography versus sequencing, like is this the same or different? And is a focus on creativity in this, losing some of the essence that people might think of as the yoga teachings and tradition.

Trisha (21:58.221)

Yeah, oh my gosh, this is so good. Well, okay, so that first part, the sequencing versus choreography. I'll say this as, you know, again, just being a dancer from day one, I've never been like the type to want to like blend dance with yoga. And I know there's some of that out there and there's even some styles and trademarked, you know, styles of that. What?

Bonnie (22:23.758)

Mm-hmm. Inside flow is definitely one of those. Yeah.

Trisha (22:26.577)

totally fine and great, maybe because like, I was a professional dancer, like I just didn't have any interest in the blend. Personal preference, it's one of Jason Crandall's words, preference, right? It's cool to have preference. We don't have to punch down on people for something else that they like. I just, it just wasn't my jam. So I never really tried to blend the dance and the asana. I...

Bonnie (22:36.881)

Mmm.

Bonnie (22:47.057)

Mm.

Trisha (22:56.573)

I think I tend to lean a little bit on them being different things and neither of them are bad. You can have sequencing that is more choreographed, if you will, and I see that with teachers who are really interested in that with the creativity and like kind of how to, you know, really link a bunch of poses together to get to a place and then back. Very interesting and fascinating.

Bonnie (23:09.037)

Mm.

Trisha (23:26.373)

And it can seem like for the sake of it, it's just for that, right? It's just for that flow of getting from one place to another with these different poses, which may include like standing, seated, the whole shebang, right? And that's fine. And it seems like the point of that is that. And so...

Bonnie (23:43.207)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Trisha (23:51.269)

And that can feel good, right? And that's where maybe we, you know, you talk about that flow state and dropping into that, especially once you kind of memorize or you've been shown the choreography, but then there's, I think, and I think I tend to lean not towards that, but rather towards still creative, but movement that does perhaps have more of a purpose in

I think just moving well. I play as a definite element in my work in an exploratory way. But I'm not necessarily choreographing things for choreographs, graphs. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because those can get pretty long and involved, and they're beautiful, and that's fine and everything. It's not my.

Bonnie (24:23.466)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (24:37.375)

It's like a sequence.

Trisha (24:48.653)

main thing. And I know, and I can't know, maybe if I'm with the second part of it was, but I know, in terms of like, with the link to Jason, and just that, right, like, he's like, not a fan, not a fan of that.

Bonnie (24:50.24)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (24:59.238)

Right. Well, just, yeah. Well, and I think that if, I think what's interesting is, so I do a lot of that. I do a lot of finding like, okay, how do we sit down and stand up? That is like a regular movement in life. How can we put that within flow and sit down and stand up? Now we're gonna balance on a leg. Now we're gonna move forward, back. Like, how can we think about a squat and a hinge? How can we think about adding in

Trisha (25:22.671)

Yeah.

Bonnie (25:28.534)

all the different planes of motion within a flow and having come through as a way of exploring flow within all the movement of the body. So movement directions. So that is definitely how I really love to sequence. I also love the skills and drills on the playfulness of like, okay, how do you do this or that? And I watched you do your, you had a video where you posted where you had blocks that you were pushing around and standing on one leg as you then switch

remind me a little bit of yoga detour as well. When she kind of does things like, where it's like playfulness with props, et cetera. And I think that those two can blend together, can blend together in the same class, but even taking both of these examples where you're like, I don't want to choreograph, I don't want to make a continuous flow. And I like doing that. So I love that we're having this conversations. Like I do enjoy that piece. I don't come from a dance background. I like that there's a dance element to that. So.

like this is such a relevant conversation. And also the playfulness of your, in essence, like tricking people into figuring out how to balance on one leg with a block that you're altering. So it's a tricky, playful way of helping people get to a space. And they're just done in different ways. And so then, you know, I think this idea of like, well, is both of those are creative and is it losing some of the, you know,

essence of teaching of the yoga tradition because we're walking around and pushing blocks around and standing them on one foot or we're having a continuous mandala flow. Both of those are not traditional yoga. Either way, both of them are not because traditional yoga has, that's like a whole big conversation. And so then it's like, well, is any of it right? It's like a whole bigger thing, I think.

Trisha (27:07.905)

No.

Trisha (27:24.949)

have been on every end of the spectrum on this. I have tormented myself maybe more than my local community has tormented me because I for a long time I genuinely cared what people thought of my yoga teaching and you know the whole thing with the yoga police and like that's not real yoga. People would say that to me and I felt really bad when

Bonnie (27:34.242)

Yeah.

Trisha (27:52.657)

I would be told that, that oh that's not real yoga or you're not teaching real yoga. And you know it's shown up in my comments at various times, not so much now. I have a wonderful community online but you know occasionally still. And I've gone back and forth to where like I taught yoga completely in Sanskrit, to not using any Sanskrit.

Bonnie (28:15.138)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (28:18.237)

I read up on how, you know, the real meaning of namaste and how it actually isn't quite what we think and it's silly to say it at the end. So then I stopped saying namaste. And I'm, you know, and then the whole debate on like, well, it just feels like so much to stuff philosophy in a movement class. Like I'm like,

People's brains, right? Like, we're our readies, there's so much in there. And then we're in a group setting and we're moving our bodies. And then I'm also gonna give a Dharma talk and quote some sutras. That's great if you can do all that in 60 minutes. I can't, and I don't want to. And I've just kind of reached the point almost where if I'm not teaching yoga, fine. I actually don't need the word yoga.

Bonnie (29:11.117)

Mm.

Trisha (29:11.769)

to do what I do, I'm kind of there, I'm kind of there with it. And I've gone, like I said, I'm just so far on both ends and in trying to, I guess what it comes down to is, it doesn't seem that no matter what I do, it's not yoga to somebody. No matter what I've tried, somebody's going to tell me it's not right, that it's not yoga. And so...

Bonnie (29:29.442)

Mm. Yeah.

Bonnie (29:38.143)

Yeah.

Trisha (29:41.645)

And yet again, I have to come back to what my work is and what I'm trying to do. And I have and I have to just always know what that is and my voice and my message. And then that's what keeps me on track.

Bonnie (29:45.035)

Mm.

Bonnie (29:57.797)

Yeah. So how do you define yoga?

Trisha (29:59.889)

Hmm. I, um... I don't know these days. Um... I know, I-I-I-

I know what yoga is for me, and that is I'm trying to help people be okay in their body. I'm trying to help people move. People are so far removed from movement and being in their body. For me...

sidebar. For me, my early days of ballet, pre-professional, when I was really deep in the thick of it, like early morning, going to the ballet bar and doing the bar, which is what every ballet class starts with, I always had my spot by the window on the fourth floor, Victoria Theater Dayton, Ohio. That was the purest yoga ever in my entire life.

Bonnie (30:55.726)

Hmm.

Bonnie (31:01.125)

Mmm.

Trisha (31:05.973)

So, yeah, so I just try to do that with people in some kind of way. People come for one-on-one clients and they, you know, they say their doctor told them to do yoga.

Bonnie (31:07.179)

Why?

Trisha (31:24.933)

They don't know that it's an eight-fold path and that there's this flow. They just know that they wanna feel better, their body hurts, they have trouble with some basic functional movement in their day-to-day life. I'm not gonna tell them, well, that's not yoga. I'm gonna help them move. And I hear people tell me that they feel better mentally and then of course physically.

Bonnie (31:49.069)

Mm.

Trisha (31:54.069)

So for me, what I'm doing is yoga.

Bonnie (31:57.874)

Mm.

Trisha (31:59.887)

Oh no.

Bonnie (32:00.974)

That was beautiful. I would love to hear more about this fourth floor. Like, why was that? Why was that?

Trisha (32:08.085)

just the visual. Victoria Theatre was on the fourth floor, you know, in the window and you could look out on the main street. Victoria Theatre is a very old theatre, anybody that hears this and is familiar with Dayton, Ohio, like Victoria Theatre is like takes up a whole city block, you know, it's the second oldest ballet company in the country. So it's a beautiful, majestic building.

Bonnie (32:14.743)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (32:26.158)

Okay.

But why was that time the purest yoga? Like, why do you call it that?

Trisha (32:34.653)

Oh, because I was so incredibly present and calm, and there was nothing that could disturb that. There was nothing wrong in the world when I was at the bar doing bar, which was the beginning of every ballet class before we got into the thick of things. So when we think of yoga and that feeling that we're trying to have, like from

Bonnie (32:38.67)

Mmm.

Bonnie (32:54.507)

Yeah.

Bonnie (33:03.2)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (33:04.281)

You know, being a yoga teacher and having been in the yoga industry, like I can be like, oh, well that I had that at the ballet bar.

Bonnie (33:10.858)

Yeah. Yeah, you're dropped in.

Trisha (33:14.273)

So, dropped in, like on lock.

Bonnie (33:17.402)

Mm-hmm. Yeah, I so agree with you that it is, and recently you shared, I've gone through and there's a couple things that you've shared that I'm excited to dive into more. One of them is kind of this phrase of, do like, you know, are you listening to your body? Like, what does your body need?

Bonnie (33:44.382)

And I think our own personal journeys with movement and with coming to yoga or dance or wherever it is we've dropped in into presence and to really start to pay attention to our bodies. I think this is one of the gifts of the yoga practice is it's trying to be slow enough. We're trying to be really aware of how we're moving, what we're moving, why we're moving it to give us the tools to pay attention to ourselves. And, but I think that's really hard.

And we are very disconnected because we're in our head. So I'm always telling people, I'm like, okay, how do you get from your head into your body? And what is a way, I guess, that when you say that, or when you hear that phrase, like listen to your body, how would you say that differently? Like, what is your take on that? And how has your experience been in helping people find that?

Trisha (34:31.981)

Yeah. Oh, it's so good too. It's such a good, I wrote a blog piece on that a while ago, because I, and I don't actually use that phrase in a group setting. Yeah, no, but yeah, and I'll tell you why. Because we have, you know, so much like

Bonnie (34:40.746)

Yeah, I wasn't saying that you did.

Trisha (34:51.373)

toxic fitness culture, toxic yoga culture, group settings, studio, right? It's based on the physicality. Nothing wrong with that. But to say, to listen to your bodies, we get all these, how do you, how do you weave through?

your messages, you know, compared to like the messages that are being like, you know, tossed at you constantly about, you know, being thin enough or, you know.

Bonnie (35:10.222)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (35:21.785)

the right alignment of a pose or a position you're in, so much comes thrown at us that to listen to your body is like the silliest idea ever. There's so much to weed through to try to do that. Yes, there's a better ways to say it or better ways to address that than that phrase. So.

Bonnie (35:50.626)

When you're trying to guide people to that, what do you say?

Trisha (35:57.631)

using a lot of

open-ended, I almost ask questions or I invite the folks practicing to kind of frame things as a question rather than a directive or a dare. So, you know, like any given movement really, even, you know, something whether it's like Mountain Pose or Warrior II, you know, like it's like what's possible here?

Bonnie (36:04.11)

Mm-hmm. So.

Bonnie (36:14.544)

Mmm.

Trisha (36:30.017)

How can you spread things or distribute things evenly? I also talk a lot about as a way to get people into the body too, is even just to talk about the hands or the fingertips, which maybe harkens back to my ballet because you want the never ending line and it extends all the way out through the fingertips. And so I think the hands and feet often are kind of can be dead zones in general.

Bonnie (36:42.51)

Hmm.

Trisha (36:58.317)

And so to invite awareness to the ends and edges like that with the hands and feet can be a nice entry point rather than maybe starting with some place much more scary like the belly or.

Bonnie (37:02.061)

Mm.

Bonnie (37:06.08)

Yeah.

Bonnie (37:13.31)

Yeah, yeah. I love, I actually love watching hands. Like as a teacher, I mean, I love watching people move and you're going to have a room full of people and we're like, we're moving from warrior to, to the side lunge most commonly called skandhasana. Although in Ashtanga, skandhasana is a different thing than side lunge. Very different. So warrior to, to skandhasana, there's a lot of different ways to move between those postures and to use your arms.

Trisha (37:13.905)

the other body part.

Bonnie (37:40.798)

arms and your upper body and all the way out through your fingers. And I think sometimes how I have the best job. I'm like, I'm going to watch people move. Like this is a delight and the interpretation of that. And I think my joy in that too is that there's so much personality that people can bring to movements and to that spaces as we go between things and as a transition space. And it doesn't even matter if it's a flow, but it's also...

You could just be repeating two movements for like 10 minutes in class and exploring something and do it funky with blocks. And it's still exciting. It's still exciting to watch how people are playing with that and exploring what's available to them.

Trisha (38:24.345)

Yes. I was lucky to get to teach yoga to a convention of potters. So it's a pottery, like an e-pottery convention.

Bonnie (38:34.606)

Hmm.

Trisha (38:38.033)

so lucky to get to do that and I got to teach yoga two days in a row. I got to hear and talk to the people in attendance, obviously about the hands because you know forming pottery on the wheel and then do to just with the arms you know all the way up through the shoulders into the back. And so that was just an amazing learning experience for me. But then also how in tune a potter is with their hands.

Bonnie (38:48.107)

Mmm.

Bonnie (39:00.968)

Yeah.

Bonnie (39:06.964)

Mmm.

Bonnie (39:10.106)

That's really beautiful to think about. I hadn't thought about that.

Trisha (39:12.229)

So I have this little like, uh, yoga for potters hands on my YouTube channel because people were so like, oh my god, this is amazing that I was like, I love to help people. I'm like, well, I'll put a little YouTube video up there and it's just, yeah, it's out there. But it gets, like people watch it. Like people watch this potter's yoga. Um, yeah.

Bonnie (39:24.575)

Yeah.

Bonnie (39:31.784)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, see, and I think this is where it gets sticky to me because they're like, okay, the policing of the tradition of yoga. And I'm like, I don't even know what that means anymore because yoga wasn't even a physical practice in its basic roots. So then I'm like, well, which part of the tradition are we talking about? And yes, I'm a white woman in the Western world teaching yoga. So yes, and also...

I don't know where, like it's not a linear kind of experience. It's very wiggly and it is evolving. But if there's a specific like practice for potters, that's yoga. And you talk about, I mean, like there's so many and there's so many different kind of, you know, for just want to take professions in the world in different ways, people use their bodies. There are movement patterns.

and presence in movement that will support all of those different people.

Trisha (40:36.929)

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bonnie (40:38.23)

and it's gonna look different.

Trisha (40:40.637)

Yeah, yes. I mean, like, no school of thought owns mindfulness. Like, no one religion, I mean, because there's mindfulness woven, right, religion, spirituality, like, but no one school, like, just owns mindfulness. As we know, right, within popular culture, that no one owns movement in terms of trademarking routines.

Bonnie (40:49.197)

Yeah.

Bonnie (40:58.679)

Right.

Bonnie (41:07.531)

Yeah.

Trisha (41:11.701)

Yeah, it is, it's complex and I don't know that I'll ever land on just one, like I'm, you know, ever evolving on that. And I try not to torment myself too much on it, but I certainly have and I read everything I can and I, you know.

Bonnie (41:12.918)

Yeah.

Bonnie (41:21.052)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (41:31.285)

I love critical thinking. I love critical analysis. It's how anything gets better. And so, and I, but I, and I allow it to be applied to myself, not just, yeah, yes, yeah. So I'm absolutely willing to take on the critique of how I'm fucking it up. You know, yeah, every now and then.

Bonnie (41:35.868)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (41:40.99)

Yeah, no, I'm like my big, my own biggest experiment. I'm like, let's experiment right here.

Bonnie (41:52.318)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, I'm gonna take a slant from here. And in this like array of movements that you have explored and teaching different ways of teaching explored, you have shared this phrase that like, when you move more, you can move more. And I so agree with that. And I think about the phrase like the freedom to move. I'll off.

And as teachers, that's what I want to gift, like the freedom to move. And there's something so powerful that I keep coming back to the body. I love to lift, I love strength training, I love like all the different types of movement and the way they work together. And that as a teacher, that is my hope is to give people an opportunity to find freedom to move in their bodies. And I come back to movement because it's palpable. We can't touch grief and sorrow and love and joy and excitement and...

processing whatever it is, but we can touch our body. And the way that we move our body can't not affect us. And so I think it's always my hope that in anything that I would share about movement and that as teachers when we share that we are giving people an opportunity to move their bodies and it's shifting something inside. Like really believe that. So, and in knowing...

like your journey where you have like played with so much of movement and of different ways to teach. What have you found freedom that's not movement related? How has the freedom to move your body impacted your freedom to move in other ways that are not teaching or movement related?

Trisha (43:40.521)

Yeah, I think especially in these last few years, I've purposely sought out movements that I'm not good at or movement that I'm not already like an expert at purposefully. There's something really powerful about being a beginner and it does inherently inform my work when I try movement that is new to me that's not in my wheelhouse.

Bonnie (44:06.769)

Mm.

Trisha (44:09.745)

I this past fall I went to Portugal and I went to a longboard dancing camp. I'm sitting on my longboard right now because I bought one because of course, so it's a skateboard but a really long one that you can carve on and it's very dancey and I was like yes because you know very flowy and whatever but also had never stepped on a skateboard before so all the more reason.

Bonnie (44:16.232)

So fun.

Bonnie (44:23.159)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (44:38.117)

But being the mover that I am, I thought I would, you know, you kind of have a little bit of a head start there, but wow, so hard and so challenging and so interesting. That's just like a little video of myself like turning around on the board, you know, like a bird, just like, you know, trying to stay upright. Anyway, but so that would be an example, I guess, I think, if I'm following you there.

trying that the longboarding was one way to do that.

Bonnie (45:08.714)

Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think that's a great example of like finding some sort of, I don't know, finding the connections of I think often of like strength and grace. So you're like, okay, I have control over this space. I have found some freedom to move and like shift in these spaces and how can I apply them to other spaces? And then I love the way that as a teacher's, your experience in long boarding and trying something new can't not affect the way that you teach. I just...

It automatically is. But I think I guess I want you to add on to this and be like, OK, but outside of movement, like how has.

in the mindset of the things that you do, in the choices that you've made and in the shifts that you've made. Like if you've made the shift to go from ballet to Ashtanga and then Ashtanga to not Ashtanga, that's just around movement. But we all know movement is like also like if you if you're going to move your body and move your decisions to do one or the other, that's going to be impactful in your life too. And so in your own personal life that's not the movement life, how has

How have you learned to have freedom to move?

Trisha (46:22.961)

Now if I had freedom to move in my personal life... Um... Huh.

Bonnie (46:30.786)

Like have you found like lines of that where you're like, oh, if I can do this thing, I can do that thing.

Trisha (46:36.729)

yet. Well, I think it definitely has given me a certain

Trisha (46:44.697)

like a booster of confidence in my non-moving, physical moving world. Because for example, being over 40, I've realized the importance and inherent impact of strength training. Totally also not something that I've ever been into, right? Lifting heavy weights, and now I am. And doing that,

has a huge impact on what I think I'm capable of just in life in general, like an inside effect, like a heart effect, matters of the heart effect, in the just kind of the brute strength of deadlifting 100 plus pounds.

Bonnie (47:27.881)

Mm-hmm. Mm.

Trisha (47:40.993)

It's made me a more resilient person mentally.

Trisha (47:47.245)

And it's really great for, as we know, right, stress and anxiety. So I can speak to that directly. It's gotten me through some hard times, even in the last couple of years. The strength training, I really turned to it in the last couple of years. So I think the type of movement even, right, whether it's this softer type of movement, flowy type of movement versus the strength training, the heavy lifting type of movement.

Bonnie (47:53.038)

Yeah.

Bonnie (48:06.693)

Mm.

Trisha (48:16.793)

Just the qualities of each of those contribute their own elements to the app, to just like the normal day-to-day personal life.

Bonnie (48:30.378)

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that's a good distinction to make of the types of movement do impact different, impact people in different ways.

Trisha (48:39.045)

Because we think, oh, yoga, it's healing, it's calming. And maybe we tend to think like that type of movement, the calming, slow movement or mindful movement. Like you have to do that to feel those things. But we know that...

what we know but maybe not so much of a noticeable message out there is that you can lift heavy weights and also feel calm. It's incredibly calming after a weightlifting session.

Bonnie (49:09.279)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (49:13.282)

Yeah.

Yeah, I totally agree.

Trisha (49:16.277)

So I think that goes back to then like that word yoga and just the lay person using that word that their doctor threw out in terms of health and wellness.

Bonnie (49:26.808)

Mm.

Bonnie (49:31.314)

Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for sharing. I think it's a, I mean, I feel like it's an evolving answer and it's something that I think about too. I'm like, okay, what is, what was the impact of yoga on my life? How does finding freedom to move like impact me in other ways that are not movement? It's just, it's constantly something that turns and, and I think, but I think as teachers, it probably gets mixed into

Trisha (49:33.553)

Thank you.

Trisha (49:50.725)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (49:58.846)

stepping into a teacher role because being a leader and watching people and then helping other people step into leadership also is greatly impactful for the choices that we make as leaders. Yeah, yeah, wild. Okay, I wanna talk a little bit about yoga business because you work for yourself.

Trisha (50:13.177)

Yeah, absolutely.

Bonnie (50:28.174)

and you don't work for studios but if you were going to make a studio and you were going to open a studio and you were 100% sold on opening a studio and doing the work of that because

That's the thing. How would you do it? What's your dream? If you're like, we could like throw out, I think of this often, I'm like, what if we like burn down the model of yoga studios? How would we build it then? Like what is, what's a way that we could build it that's something different than what is?

Trisha (51:01.985)

Yeah, I've sometimes thought of this over the years, you know, just kind of let my mind really wander down the pipe dream of a studio model and what I would like an ingredient list almost a recipe, if you will. And yeah, it would be so ridiculously 100% what I am into right like my jam like I mean

um we'd be you know sliding on the floor you know there would be a sock class you have to wear socks so you can slide um we would have rings so we could hang because shoulder health and hanging are incredible and obviously we don't quite get that in a standard yoga class or even a standard fitness class so there would be hanging there would be sliding there would be i mean just an incredible amount of props

all of the props, ones that are easily identifiable and then other ones that are like, how in the world do you use this, you know? Yeah.

Trisha (52:13.665)

assuming money's not an object for this studio that I'm describing. Yeah. Um, and so there would be, you know, just like all of the things that I've experienced as a yoga teacher, the good and the bad, right? Like I would just, I would go through and I would

Bonnie (52:17.394)

Yes, this.

Trisha (52:34.725)

make it what it wasn't, like what I had hoped it would be all those years in the studio and the community that I craved and crave. I would attempt, I would do my very best to create that in this hypothetical studio space.

Bonnie (52:53.518)

Tell me more about that community you crave.

Trisha (52:57.41)

Just a very accepting being seen. Like, you know what it feels like when you're really seen for yourself. And so I would want to foster the hell out of that and have that.

Bonnie (53:07.426)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (53:11.789)

Yeah, just in terms of the teachers and the people that I would 10 classes, like just, you know, being so accepting and

Trisha (53:25.133)

honest and open and like not afraid to say the real things like that. Yoga for living on this planet in 2024. It's hard. It's hard because no place is exempt from the, you know, we are conditioned from birth, you know, in the culture that we live, even within regions of this country.

Bonnie (53:26.883)

Hmm.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bonnie (53:40.419)

Mm.

Trisha (53:53.761)

And so that doesn't stay outside of the studio doors, but it's hard, it's tricky, it hurts more because it is yoga and we think it's this altruistic thing and this pure thing and it's easier. I kind of joked, I was a bartender for 10 years and I would kind of, one point was at comparing.

Bonnie (54:02.882)

Hmm

Trisha (54:13.477)

being a bartender with being a yoga teacher. And I was saying that, you know, it was almost easier as a bartender because at least they would tell you to your face, like, you know, screw you or, you know, whereas with yoga, it's not that like, you know, it's this, again, this kind of false positivity thing and it pays better as a bartender. So yeah, so I just kind of, it just would compare some of those things, you know, so.

Bonnie (54:35.895)

Ha ha

Trisha (54:40.885)

Or you could blame it on that they were drinking. So, you know, like, what are you going to blame, like, this really cruel, sweet-looking, you know, woman for her, you know, her ways of.

Bonnie (54:54.466)

She's paying you well, but she's being rude. But she's being honest for wherever she's at, but like, okay.

Trisha (55:01.19)

Yeah, so, yeah, but I digress. You know, I would try to foster the things that I had craved through my 12 years of working in numerous studios in my town. I would learn from the teachers that, you know, kind of got it wrong. I would learn from the teachers. I would try to.

remedy, you know, some of the things that had gone wrong through that. I would just use that kind of as a blueprint, I guess, to the best of my ability. Again, I don't like, again, these things are, they follow us in through the door, because we're conditioned into the culture that we live, the patriarchy, you know, the intersectionality of these oppressions that exist for people.

Bonnie (55:31.542)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (55:39.329)

Yeah.

Bonnie (55:49.058)

Yeah, yeah, I feel like it is such an important thing for a team to be, to see each other. And not, some studios are great at this and some studios are less. And it's tricky because it's hard to make money teaching for studios and you have to teach a lot of different studios, but then have the space. And I think about this, if I were to ever create a studio, I'm like, I want people to work there who really want to commit to that studio space.

Trisha (56:01.925)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (56:17.382)

and the non-competes are dumb, so we're not doing that. But just that like people who are gonna show up and be like, I wanna show up with these people and pay them well enough so that they want to show up with that community and want to invest in that community of yes, the people who are practicing, but the team that they're working with and are there to like celebrate and give a fuck about each other. That makes like such an important impact for the whole community.

Trisha (56:42.801)

Mm-hmm. And it's a lot of work that is not lost on either of us, I know, right? Like that is a lot of work and sweat and heart. But that's, it could be nothing less. I could not start or open a studio with anything less in mind.

Bonnie (56:44.318)

Yeah.

Bonnie (56:55.703)

Yeah.

Bonnie (56:59.884)

Agreed.

Bonnie (57:03.954)

Yeah, yeah, agreed. Also, I love that you mentioned socks because I have a bag of socks that I will bring to my yoga classes and give out to people and be like, it's sock day. Everybody.

Trisha (57:14.662)

Oh my gosh, that's amazing. Yes.

Bonnie (57:18.335)

I'm like, you're welcome. Yes, we're going to be doing some core work for sure.

Trisha (57:22.969)

Oh, socks and a smooth floor. I can be lured.

Bonnie (57:27.002)

Yep. Oh my gosh, it's so fun. It's so fun. And, I love that. Oh yes. Okay.

Bonnie (57:42.378)

Okay, I'm gonna jump in to more business things. I want to talk about some teacher things, but I wanna go business because we're kind of in studio land right now. I think some people, especially if they're jumping into, let's say somebody is jumping into teaching right now. So we're talking to teachers and saying, okay, so you wanna be a yoga teacher.

Bonnie (58:04.758)

How do you, Trisha, make money? How do you make money?

Trisha (58:10.657)

Yeah, well, I think going into a studio is still can be a good thing and it can be an advantageous thing because obviously you are going to be around a lot of people, right? So not necessarily a bad thing. If you can find one or there's one that you know is halfway decent that you can work at.

I would definitely start there because you've got to teach classes to just get better at it and to just develop and even know what it is that you want to be teaching. So yeah, do that. Get in the studios and teach and develop that and just kind of meld it and find it. Wow. Oh.

Bonnie (58:51.17)

Yeah.

Bonnie (58:56.15)

and let it, and I would say like, let it suck. Like be sucky at it.

Trisha (59:00.869)

I say this when I like guest teach it, yoga teacher trainings, I tell the folks in the training like...

you've got to teach some shitty classes. Like you just have to, you just got to do that and then go through it. And they're actually maybe not as bad as you think. And then you go on and then that's that. So yeah, get in the studio and teach. But I would also say, don't put all your eggs in one basket. Speaking from experience, I think that it is an advantage, just again, talking business, assuming you want to make money and make this a business, to have some other,

Bonnie (59:12.064)

Mm.

Trisha (59:37.875)

buckets of income so if you can do the privates. Now you're either into teaching one-on-one or you're not it seems right you either enjoy that format or you don't so don't force it if you don't I like it I do very well one-on-one

that dynamic. So that works out for me. And if you're into it, then do it because you will also learn a lot by working one on one with people. I like it because I can feel like I can really help them. And again, my work is to help people move better.

So do that. Studios, privates, corporate. Corporate's great helping, again, desk jockeys, move a little in their day. I think that's more popular than ever. And so if you can kind of find that, get into that. Or sports teams.

At first, yeah, you're not going to turn down much. And there's nothing wrong with that. But unfortunately, then yes, can be taken advantage of by studio owners because we're willing people to say yes and will teach for hardly anything. But anyway, as you develop,

Bonnie (01:00:33.336)

Mm-mm.

Bonnie (01:00:37.63)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:00:45.39)

I don't know if it's anyway, it's like, I think it's a tricky space because, and there are some people that are like, you have to teach for free. And I'm like, no, that it's ruining it for like, I'm like, hold on. You just pay thousands of dollars for a training. Um, yeah. Yeah.

Trisha (01:00:53.421)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Trisha (01:00:59.833)

Well, now we have this online space, right? So you can get online, you can teach your friends, you can get some coworkers, maybe get a little Friday happy hour class for them and to further just develop your style and find out who you are as a teacher. At first, you might not know, maybe you will know at first, but maybe not. And so develop that, so online.

Bonnie (01:01:01.834)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:01:12.535)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Trisha (01:01:22.089)

I'm so glad that I can be in the online space. I love it. And my ability to be able to connect and create a community that I enjoy, it's gold.

Bonnie (01:01:31.582)

Yeah, yeah. And it's also not, I think for all of these, it's like, it's not going to be for everyone, all of these things. Some people only love one-on-ones and don't love groups. Some people love groups. Some people don't live online. And it's like, you're going to have to, you're absolutely right that you have to try it on and be like, try it on. What do you love? What do you not? How can you bring some of you into it? What does that even mean? Figure that out. Yeah.

Bonnie (01:01:59.682)

Will you speak a little bit more to one-on-one yoga? Because I think it's really not talked about within teacher trainings about how to get people to step into that. I mean, even for corporate and for sports teams, you're gonna have to like figure out how to be connected to people. There's a little bit of a networking game to play with getting into some of those spaces. And some of us just like literally asking more questions, like, you know, be willing to put yourself out there.

But when you speak to teaching one-on-ones and how people can go about doing that, because I so agree with you that it can be, it's so, it gives you so much knowledge about how to run group classes more if you teach one-on-ones, but how do you even start to approach that for people?

Trisha (01:02:47.149)

Yeah, I didn't necessarily plan, like I'm gonna go and do one-on-ones, right? I just, I did kind of have someone that needed like coverage for a one-on-one and I did that and then they invited me back and I kept doing it. And so I think...

it takes a little bit to get started with one-on-ones. If you have one or two or you can get in there with that, then it can spread, right? Again, anything you kind of put your attention or energy to, it will grow, but you've gotta do that. And so, you know, from there, it was a lot of word of mouth for me with people taking on one-on-ones.

Bonnie (01:03:22.553)

Mm.

Trisha (01:03:32.053)

And there's ways to advertise for your one-on-one services, if that's what you're going to do. If you are in a studio space, you might be able to...

kind of advertise or mention that you offer one-on-ones. That's often a thing, but you got to make sure it's fine with your studio, obviously. But sometimes the people in the classes want a little bit more focused attention, or they have questions, or they're having some issue. And so you may be able to be that person that is kind of the go-to or the one-on-one for that, if it really is your thing. So that has happened too, where like studio clients have become one-on-one clients.

Bonnie (01:04:09.562)

Yeah. Okay. So I love to get a little nitty-gritty with this. So when you do this, so say somebody comes up to you and asks you if you do one-on-ones or like you're going to do that. When do you prescribe them? Be like, okay, let's sign up for one. We need to do some time together. We're going to do at least four times. We're going to sign up for like 10 times. Like what's, what, how do you usually go about that?

Trisha (01:04:31.349)

Yeah, I'm pretty laid back about it. I don't like to pressure people into things. And I'm viewing it in terms of how I would respond if I was a person being, you know, if I was talking to someone about doing privates and signing up, I wouldn't want to be like, I don't know, pressure, not pressured, but like, you know, incur overly encouraged to

sign up for a bunch or something. So I'm pretty laid back about this. I feel like the more space I've given people around this, the more they're actually willing to step into it with me. And so I do that. So I start off with one.

I start off with one. People reach out to me now at a very regular one-on-one business and we start off with one. I always let people know we're definitely gonna move on the first session, but we're gonna kind of have a nice, just.

buffet of movement here, if you will, and we'll talk through kind of what works and what doesn't and see kind of where we're at the end of this. That's how I approach it on the first one with that. And then I allow them to decide if they want to like continue on because there's there are people who from the get go, they know that they want this to be a regular thing. I have clients that come to me twice a week. And then there's people who will, you know, you can just kind of after a while feel it out like it's going to be a little bit more of a short term thing.

Bonnie (01:05:29.774)

Mmm.

Bonnie (01:05:36.618)

Yeah. And then how...

Bonnie (01:05:57.304)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (01:05:57.395)

And then you have people, yeah, it might just be really actually just a few sessions. They might sort something out and then just kind of go out on their own with whatever it is.

Bonnie (01:06:05.438)

Yeah, yeah. That's a great answer. I just think that there's not a lot of conversation around. So I just want to like, you like, okay, let's say somebody's, you know, if this teacher is listening to this right now, like how do they really begin? Like this is terrifying because it's not talked about in the teacher training. So I think if people are using social media, this is a shout out to be like, you have to talk about the thing and, and talk about it. Like

Trisha (01:06:10.989)

Yeah!

Trisha (01:06:17.221)

Yes.

Trisha (01:06:26.873)

You have to talk about the thing.

Bonnie (01:06:31.386)

15 times, well, let's talk about like 25, 30, 50 more times percent more than what you think you should. Because people need a lot of reminders and need to see that you care and like give a fuck about it. So you have to say the things.

Trisha (01:06:39.033)

Yeah.

Trisha (01:06:45.613)

Absolutely. You have to talk about it. Uh-huh. Yeah, shoot. There was the one thing I was going to say on that and I can't, it'll come back to me on the one-on-ones. Oh, that, I know what it was, just that the one-on-ones, you know, for those who maybe don't know, right, like a one-on-one isn't necessarily run like a group class, right? That's the point of a one-on-one. Yeah, because they could just go to a group class for that if you're going to kind of

Bonnie (01:06:56.883)

On.

Bonnie (01:07:06.698)

Mmm. Good. This is good.

Bonnie (01:07:13.292)

Yeah.

Trisha (01:07:15.205)

keep the separation, like it should be like really catered to that person. And so I think at first that can be a little like, eh, do I run this like a class? Because maybe you only know how to run it like a class, which is why it will make you such a better teacher when you can really cater it to an individual because that will carry over and there will be, I don't know, like.

just there'll be a more of a closeness in your group class from having done the one-on-one thing.

Bonnie (01:07:47.13)

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. That's a great point. And I think I want to give a note on pricing because people have a lot of things about money and yoga teachers are like, how do I do money things? So I want you to share your two cents on this. But for me, I think one of the things, if you're going to teach your own classes, because there's such a wide variety, even with the United States, think of Ohio and some places in Ohio, a drop-in class is way cheaper than a

So look at the drop-in rate for the classes in your area and charge that if you're gonna do private classes, then charge something in that ballpark. You get to keep it all rather than the studio keeping it. But then that's like kind of, and you can do it just a little bit less too, if you want to than like a studio, but that's like, that's a good ballpark to begin for charging for a private group. And then with personal or with like a private, you could also look at personal training at gyms.

and be like, what's a personal training session going for in this area? As a personal trainer in a gym, you are not getting paid what somebody is paying the gym for you to have personal training. But that's a good ballpark, I think, to begin for one-on-ones maybe. What do you think?

Trisha (01:09:04.333)

Yeah, I would agree. Yeah, it's definitely, yeah, gonna vary by region, as you say. And then, you know, if you're just starting out, yeah, then you might be inclined to charge a little less. I mean, I'm obviously not charging what I was five, eight years ago for privates, right? Like my prices have continued to rise with my experience and just the world around us.

Bonnie (01:09:09.291)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:09:28.566)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (01:09:31.793)

And so you gotta charge something that feels comfortable to you and is within just the accepted range of your location. Yeah, for sure. But also don't undervalue yourself. I tell yoga teachers this all the time. I don't overvalue, because there's those of us, but don't undervalue either.

Bonnie (01:09:42.871)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:09:47.776)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:09:53.903)

Yeah, yeah, because we have, there is a lot of brain things that happen when we see prices. And I started coaching out of my garage and I was doing it for free for a couple months because I was like, Hey, what about this idea of people coming over? And this is before I found yoga and I was coaching people out of my garage and my friends were like, so Bonnie, we're going to pay you now, right? I was like, okay, $5.

Bonnie (01:10:20.674)

Don't charge $5. And you have to get rid of, it's a process, but you have to get rid of the emotion around money. And that's why it can be helpful to look at models outside of you. Be like, this is like look at models of studios and of gyms and that's what you're offering. And that's what people are going to pay if they're going somewhere else. And that's a good place for you to kind of at least have a ballpark of beginning that's not $5.

Trisha (01:10:50.861)

It's so true. Yeah, it is. It is. It's so true.

Bonnie (01:10:54.906)

Yeah, we have to wheel our way into that part.

Trisha (01:11:00.105)

No, I think it's just, well, I've chosen to be just, I don't know. I feel so much less anxiety when I just direct and upfront about all the things, and money included. And, you know, that's been in the news a lot lately too, right, with unions and just employees being paid what they're worth. And, you know,

Bonnie (01:11:09.495)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (01:11:27.353)

just kind of being told within your workspace, oh, you can't talk about salary. I had that happen even like at a yoga studio where I was told, you know, you're not supposed to, you can't talk about pay. And I'm like, yeah, and I am.

Bonnie (01:11:35.394)

Mm.

Bonnie (01:11:41.758)

Yeah. Did you talk about it within the, is this thing you were trying to ask other teachers what they were getting paid?

Trisha (01:11:47.661)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bonnie (01:11:49.31)

And what was the verdict?

Trisha (01:11:51.886)

Oh, there was quite a bit of, you know, difference between, you know, who, what people were getting paid for sure. Yeah.

Bonnie (01:11:58.798)

So if you were, let's go back to the studio question. If you're running a studio, how would you pay people?

Trisha (01:12:04.145)

I'm not sure.

Trisha (01:12:08.329)

Yeah, I'm not sure. And then that is a lot of the issue with the studio, right, is that the, there's such a narrow sliver profit margin. And that's the thing, right. And so then there's just like little scraps left for the teachers.

Bonnie (01:12:16.566)

Oh no.

Trisha (01:12:33.637)

But if that was not the case, if we're talking in this hypothetical studio where it could all just be so good, make sure that they were just being paid so well with their worth their experience. Absolutely, I don't know what that would be or what that would look like though.

Bonnie (01:12:39.586)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:12:52.062)

Yeah, yeah. That's so fascinating. I think it's fascinating. I mean, and again, I think to go back to, how long have you been on Instagram?

Trisha (01:13:05.165)

count it okay I how long is I count it for when I actually turned my account into like just movement okay

Bonnie (01:13:14.354)

Okay, what are both numbers? So how long have you been on and when did you turn it into movement?

Trisha (01:13:20.445)

I have been on Instagram since like 2010.

Bonnie (01:13:26.784)

Okay.

Trisha (01:13:29.079)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:13:29.642)

and like sharing pictures of pets and you know, the sunset.

Trisha (01:13:31.681)

Yes, clouds. Remember when we used to share clouds? Yeah. And then I turned it into all movement, I would say around 2014, 15. But like really seriously like 2017 because that's when I went to San Francisco. I think.

Bonnie (01:13:44.746)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:13:52.718)

Okay. Yeah. Well, and I think it's just, there's so many people out there who maybe are interested in using Instagram, social media for sharing purposes. And so in this conversation of making money and of one-on-ones and of playing this long game is it's a cool place. And even beginning this conversation of like, what is your voice and how do you say the things? It's a cool

Trisha (01:13:56.397)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:14:22.114)

fairly quickly from people's feed. So if you share a post or share a story where you can use your voice, and it's kind of scary because it's available to the whole world if your account is public, but it can give you a place to practice seeing what it is you even wanna talk about, which can then carry over to teaching. Yeah.

Trisha (01:14:42.873)

Yeah, and that's, I really used it as a sounding board almost, to just kind of share my voice because I felt like I couldn't share it, right, in those other yoga spaces. And so I literally used it for that, to share just the creative process of my movement. And then over the pandemic, I guess, is when things really took off.

Bonnie (01:14:56.01)

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:14:59.867)

Mm.

Bonnie (01:15:04.5)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:15:10.538)

Yeah.

Trisha (01:15:12.009)

And I like being on there and so that helps in terms of just growing a following and whatnot there.

Bonnie (01:15:19.07)

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think you have to figure it out. Yeah.

Trisha (01:15:22.253)

You have to keep going even when you think no one is listening. You have to talk to the void. You know, if it helps just pretend that there's a, you know, I don't know, a thousand people listening and you just have to keep going. Because if you just keep going a little longer than everybody else.

Bonnie (01:15:44.438)

Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, and actually I had this moment last night where there's a lot of behind the scenes work for working online and there's a lot of messaging and emailing and I'm about to start around a full school with a bunch of teachers. And so I had some responses to do. And so it's all this work, you know, there's a point last night where I'm like, I have literally been working for 10 hours.

Trisha (01:15:46.169)

That's why I'm here.

Bonnie (01:16:14.062)

today because sometimes there are those days and I had some things that I had one more thing that needed to get done that needed my brain and it was you know like nine o'clock and I was like oh my gosh I had this emotional moment where I was like okay I just need to cry for a minute and like be able to say and like say the words out loud to myself I'm like this is really hard and this is why people won't do it but this is why.

it's going to be okay because it does take a certain amount of grit. And I think this feels really important to share. And for you and I, we're doing this and we love it. And we love sharing Instagram. I love what I do. And it is a lot of work. It takes a lot of resilience and just staying with it and showing up and doing the thing. And there's a lot of the things that will not be seen by anybody else that take

that are required for it to work. And so if anybody wants to step into it, there is gonna be those moments.

Trisha (01:17:20.505)

Yes, yes, so much. Oh gosh, I just actually shared this in an email today because I teach a weekly online class now and I just sent out the replay and made a big deal of it because, and I noted in there, when I saw I first offered a weekly online class in 2020 during the pandemic.

weekly, like every week, you know. And I would have zero to three people sign up for a few weeks, and then I quit offering it because it was zero to three people. And today's class I had 76 people sign up. And the only thing that's different is that it's been four years and I've stayed the course.

Bonnie (01:17:50.175)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:18:00.494)

Hmm. Yeah.

Trisha (01:18:18.381)

And I've continued to share my work and my message, and I've continued to connect with people through Instagram, through the DMs, and through my emails. And that's what's changed. I didn't try anything new. I didn't change me. I didn't change me or what I do at all. I just got better at it, and I kept doing it.

Bonnie (01:18:45.289)

Mm.

Trisha (01:18:46.353)

And then I finally reached a point and I had some clues. I started to have people ask like, hey, do you teach a weekly? Because I would offer a series. I do like a six week, like, okay, we're gonna do a six week. And I would get people for that no problem. But I was kind of scared or nervous to try that weekly commitment again. And then again, like I was like, okay, well, people are kind of asking for it. Let's try this in 2024. And so here we are.

Bonnie (01:19:14.35)

Hmm. I love it. I, yeah, thank you for sharing. I think this is, I want the, I'm like, I want the real conversations of like how this, like what it takes and how it is both your observation, like your observation of others, you're continually showing up and trying to give value and something that is impactful for people's lives. And then also your listening ability. Because

Trisha (01:19:14.381)

So there's a little real life example there.

soon.

Bonnie (01:19:43.922)

Leading is learning how to listen, right? And so your listening abilities to be like, okay, what do people need or want and how can I meet that? And you can only gain that over the longevity of keeping on with something.

Trisha (01:19:58.177)

Yeah, yeah, I think this conversation is missing because you see a lot of teachers make that shift out of, you know, studios to the online space and suddenly they have a roaring, you know, online app or something that they're doing. It's like, well, how'd you get there? Like, what, you know, what was your GPS coordinates to that?

Bonnie (01:20:13.823)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:20:17.28)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (01:20:19.061)

And they don't ever talk about, not that they have to, they're not obligated to, but yeah, I'm always curious. And I think a lot of people are because we want to know how to do that. And there's not really, I mean, there is, I guess, if you dig to look, and there's trainings now. I mean, there is obviously more education out there than ever in terms of for teachers, which is great. But the business side of it is a little bit of fumbling through the dark still to.

Bonnie (01:20:46.338)

there.

Trisha (01:20:46.701)

put those pieces together and it's going to be discouraging because you're, you offer a class and zero people sign up.

Bonnie (01:20:53.578)

Yeah, which I have 100% have happened to me too. Like it is, it is the thing. And then you're like, okay, learn from this. Now, where do we go? Do we keep on like, what does, what does keeping on look like? Like what, what is really needed here? And it's a lot of being willing to ask questions and sit, sit when you don't know or keep moving when you don't know.

Trisha (01:21:16.517)

Yeah, which is why the studio has its place in that there is the physical space and the people and you can go to there and teach.

Bonnie (01:21:19.903)

Absolutely.

Bonnie (01:21:29.618)

Yeah, when I love and like the magic of being in the room is like a whole thing. It's a whole thing that's like so lovely and yeah, and connects you with different people in the community that you wouldn't know otherwise or wouldn't know you. They can then provide other experiences to like get you to corporate or get you to like privates and do these sorts of things. It's going to connect you with some teachers that are going to be life-changing friends.

Trisha (01:21:34.385)

Ugh, yeah.

Bonnie (01:21:57.128)

and experiences that maybe aren't as awesome, but are also gonna be awesome teachers.

Trisha (01:22:03.365)

There's another thing I did as a real life example, like here's how, like what's the how to is, uh you know with the studios being kind of a sometimes uh trying uh space, um I would just create these little yoga events in my city. I would like be like where would be a cool weird place to practice yoga with a bunch of people and so

Bonnie (01:22:28.015)

Mmm.

Trisha (01:22:29.197)

And I stopped doing it during the pandemic, and I haven't done it since. But like 2016 to 2019, I had some good times. I rented a riverboat, and I did riverboat yoga. And so we would just get on this riverboat, and we would go down, and we'd do yoga, and then the boat would turn around. I could just rent this big-ass boat, and then we'd come back. And then I rented a bridge. I did yoga on a bridge.

Bonnie (01:22:55.979)

Amazing.

Trisha (01:22:56.709)

And then that was canceled because it was going to thunder and lightning and we were going to wear the headphones and that was bad. So it was like a last minute location change to this factory that had like all this really cool ass graffiti. But then I later learned it didn't really have a fire permit. But anyway, we like over 100 people in there and that was like super cool. So like, and then I did yoga at like this.

we have Union Terminal here and so these are fountains and stuff so I just had like crazy you know like experiences and it was all me it wasn't connected to any studio and so you can do that and that can feel pretty empowering.

Bonnie (01:23:33.322)

Mm-hmm. Yeah. OK, Trisha, I fucking love this so much. So you're doing yoga with 100 people in this graffiti building that has no fire. What aided your boldness in putting yourself out there? Then.

Trisha (01:23:46.406)

Yeah.

Trisha (01:23:57.589)

Um, well, if I didn't put myself out there, if I didn't do the things I wanted to do, didn't seem like anybody was going to come along and take my hand and do it for me or help me do it. So it was either sit on the sidelines or create these things myself. Maybe it has to do is because I'm an only child. I don't know, you know, we know how to entertain ourselves. Like we, you know, we don't like, um, so I just...

Bonnie (01:24:07.638)

Hmm.

Trisha (01:24:25.685)

I had to do it. I had to do it because it was fun and it was a way to get people together and to move. And as a dancer too, I pay attention, I think, right, to environment. So like site-specific work really appeals to me. So again, the space.

Bonnie (01:24:27.211)

Mm.

Trisha (01:24:46.233)

the space that you hold, which can be powerful, right, because we know that from a yoga studio, but like these other spaces of like the deck of a riverboat or a bridge or a factory. Or just like surrounding a fountain of a museum.

Bonnie (01:24:57.527)

Mm-hmm.

Trisha (01:25:07.673)

So site-specific work really appeals to me anyway. So there's that. I mean, maybe that's where that came from. But like, it just was, you know, interesting way to gather people.

Bonnie (01:25:12.275)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:25:18.314)

Yeah. Well, gosh, I love this. And it makes me just keep on leaning into be like, what, you know, for peoples of like, what's the thing that makes you sit up straight? What's the thing that makes you pay attention that you can't not do and get rid of, you know, and where you can just set aside any sort of like fear or trepidation or like worthiness of like doing the things and be like, but like,

Is it making you feel alive? What can't you not do? And just like making that happen.

Trisha (01:25:51.533)

Yeah, I guess, yeah, I guess that is it, right? Like I can't not, I mean, I love my work and I can't imagine not doing it. And so for a spell that it did, it looked like that when, before the pandemic, before the online space was really known to me, it was gathering in these weird, interesting places. And that was a...

Bonnie (01:26:07.446)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:26:16.98)

Mmm.

Trisha (01:26:20.817)

that was a way to, you know, fill kind of an absence of community, again, with the kind of the yoga studio space there. So I was looking for ways to provide that for myself and support myself and also others because I, you know, I had, you know, it's not that I didn't have nobody or didn't have community. I had community.

Bonnie (01:26:31.373)

Yeah.

Trisha (01:26:48.229)

And so having those events on my own was a way to actually like bring them all together. So, you know, I had friends come from, you know, other studios that I had, you know, so it was all the cool folks that came in and just the random people that found my events that showed up. So it's always interesting to see who shows up to these things too.

Bonnie (01:27:03.774)

I love it. Yeah.

Yeah. Oh, well, I'm, I'm leaving this conversation feeling inspired like forever ago, man. I did some park yoga that I put out there. I mean, gosh, this had to have been like, I don't know, 2018 even like so long ago. And there's still a couple of people at times will be like, I was at such and such a park with you. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I did that once. And that was so many years ago. Um, but just, yeah, I think this is a call to like, just like, just

one small notch up of your boldness of anybody, whoever's listening to this, like what is just a little bit more of a lean in and be like, what if I own it just a little bit more? Like what does that look like? And then show up even if there's zero people and then keep on asking more questions.

Trisha (01:27:53.741)

Yeah, because I think we're waiting to be told it's okay to do this thing, especially as a yoga teacher. Again, there's a lot of the dancing around things and a certain type of demure that is in place. And so if, I don't know, I just like, I just knew like nobody's going to ask me to do these things and I'm not going to wait to be asked.

Bonnie (01:28:14.06)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Trisha (01:28:17.133)

And so I think if I was gonna give advice, like some nitty gritty advice, it would be just like, don't wait to be asked or to be told that it's okay to do a thing. Like if you really wanna do a thing or you have this wild idea, like there is somebody else out there who would be like, wow, that's really cool and wants to too.

Bonnie (01:28:39.268)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:28:43.626)

I love this. I'm so grateful for you, Tricia. I love this conversation. I love for you to share, you have a couple ways that people can work with you. Also, you wrote a book. So talk to me, tell us a little bit about your book for a moment and then we'll go from there.

Trisha (01:29:02.608)

Yeah.

I did, I wrote a book, I think it was 2021 now, at the end of 2021. So again, kind of had that extra time through the pandemic to do that. But the book is called Movement Snacks, pretty common term out there. First off, actually some people have heard the term and know about it and then others are like, oh my God, that's amazing, never heard that word before. But Movement Snacks, the book, it's a tiny book, which just means it's under a hundred pages. And it was a space for me to put like literally all of the things that were in my brain.

about human movement into a physical place. And it basically just talks about how, you know, we don't have to carve 60 minutes out of our day. We don't have to have special clothes or a special room to move our body. It's to encourage just normal people to...

Embrace moving in small ways every day, right? Movement snacks this idea that all movement is good and all movement counts Getting up from your desk doing some arm circles You know

Just little movement snacks standing on one leg while you brush your teeth or wait in line at target These sorts of ideas so in the beginning I kind of talk all about that I also talk a little bit about the differences between movement and exercise So a little tiny little smidge of science not a lot, but then in the back of the book are 52 movement snacks So I provide 52

Bonnie (01:30:24.674)

Mm.

Trisha (01:30:32.853)

options for you to move in these small ways. And there's some illustrations in there that goes along with them. And I think it also is to kind of help stoke some creativity on the reader's part about

movement, right? The 52 I included is just the 52, like there are endless other ways, but it's just again I think it includes looking around your environment in that site specific way that you can do movement and move your body just even at your desk.

Bonnie (01:31:05.778)

Yeah, yeah, I love that. Well, into your class, like, so now you're doing your weekly class, and that's 30 minutes, right? Yeah.

Trisha (01:31:10.777)

Yes, it is. It's just 30 minutes on Wednesdays, 9 a.m. Eastern Standard Time, Calm and Strong. That's kind of the name I've given to my style of movement, right, this kind of union of being calm and strong. And so, yeah, just I offer that every Wednesday and we just got started today. It was the first class.

Bonnie (01:31:28.018)

Mm.

Bonnie (01:31:35.654)

Yeah. Well, I love that you have this movement snacks, which is like, you don't have to move a whole lot to make it count. And then you have a 30 minute class and you're not making people be like, it does, you don't have to show up for an hour for something to be a significant and to impact you. And that your message is consistent between both.

Trisha (01:31:43.822)

Yes.

Trisha (01:31:54.765)

Yes, I heard a lot over the pandemic that the, and I saw it firsthand, the shorter classes, because I was putting classes up on YouTube, I have a YouTube channel, and I was seeing that the shorter classes were getting devoured way more than the longer classes. Nothing wrong with the longer classes. It's amazing and wonderful. Obviously, we know that. I remember when 90-minute classes were like the norm in a studio. We don't quite have those any much more, but anyway. Yeah.

Bonnie (01:32:20.494)

I love teaching 90 minute classes. Yeah.

Trisha (01:32:23.513)

But the 30 minute classes, the 20 minute classes, people that work from home now more so, right? And so just our ability to consume and digest 30 minutes is much more palatable to people than the 60 minutes a lot of the times. And so it's like, I don't want people to be deterred from movement if they don't have the full 60, because it's like, oh, I don't have 60 minutes for that class, so then there's like no movement in your day. Well, okay, here's 30.

here's this book and you can do some movement snacks. You know, it adds up. So what you're doing and then also what you're not doing adds up.

Bonnie (01:33:05.534)

Yeah. Hmm. Good. Um, and then you have some resources for teachers.

Trisha (01:33:11.513)

I do, I have some free resources up there because I think a lot of information should be free and available to us teachers, right? So you can go, if you're on Instagram, I'm MajorLee there on Instagram. And so you can find my resources through my bio link. There's all of it's in there. Everything I do is in my link on Instagram. Or then of course my website, which is trisha.yoga.

Bonnie (01:33:30.763)

Mm-hmm.

Awesome.

Trisha (01:33:39.177)

those resources, that resource page is there as well. And I have a reading list that I, it's like top of the top books that I read. Some of them aren't even yoga related, but they're movement related.

And there's some other resources in there for making yoga studios and classes more accessible and more diverse. So there's some free resources. And then coming up soon, I will have an online course for teachers that hasn't been announced yet. But is coming up soon.

Bonnie (01:34:01.511)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:34:11.082)

Woo. Okay. Okay, so what is that? Do you want to give us any more hints about like the kind of direction of that?

Trisha (01:34:17.001)

Yeah, it's, I am putting all of the things, all of my learned experiences of being a yoga and movement teacher out there, the things, the matters of the heart. You know, I made a pretty heartfelt post today that's kind of going wild on Instagram. So it's going to talk to a lot of the things that we've discussed here. And it's going to kind of lay out, it's going to be a blueprint

essentially what I did, like all of it. So there's gonna be sequencing, but it's not your basic sequencing. It's not about like a template. It's gonna require a little bit of work on the teacher's part to do this because it's not as simple as just kind of filling in some blanks on a template to be making and doing some interesting impactful work.

Bonnie (01:34:58.405)

Mm-hmm.

Bonnie (01:35:06.444)

Yeah.

Bonnie (01:35:11.71)

Yeah, that's going to be good. That's going to be good. OK, well, whoever is listening to this, go check out the page. Depending on the timing that you check out the page, then check back to see when this is available if you're a teacher and want to learn more, Trisha. Thank you so much for sharing today. Thanks for being honest and the grit of your work and your consistency. And

Trisha (01:35:15.141)

So, what? Ha ha ha!

Trisha (01:35:25.393)

Right? Yeah.

Bonnie (01:35:38.606)

to all those 76 people that showed up for 30 minutes of movement today, right? And the testament to you as a teacher who's dedicated to a craft and the artfulness with which that you're showing up with and how you're paying both attention to yourself and to how you can serve others. Like, what a gift.

Trisha (01:35:58.289)

Thank you. Thank you, Bonnie.

Bonnie (01:36:00.042)

Yeah. Okay, everybody go check out Trisha. All the links will be in the show notes. So it makes it easy to access. Go say hello on Instagram, let Trisha know what you loved about the podcast. Share this with anybody else who's a teacher friend as well who you're like, this is gonna change your life. Listen to this conversation, start some one-on-ones. And we hope you're paying attention.